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Post by Scot on Jan 8, 2004 0:01:21 GMT -5
Well said...and I agree.
Here is an irrelevant statistic. And I didn't just make this up.
Christianity - 18 million followers.
Wow that's a lot.
oh wait.
Islam - 80 million followers.
hmm.
and there's more.
Hinduism - 580 million followers.
With something like that, I cannot just drop everything else and become Christian. There has to be something, and something good, to a religion that has more than 30 times the number of followers as Christianity.
Just thought I'd mention that.
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Post by Ash on Jan 8, 2004 14:02:11 GMT -5
Scot, you raised a good question when asking ''Did you ever consider the fact that maybe Jesus wasn't dead but maybe unconscious or in some sort of coma?" I'll add my two cents The swoon theory (the theory that Christ did not actually die) is one of several "popular" theories as to why Christ might not have truly rose from the dead. So let's assume for right now that Christ was buried alive and swooned. (I was reading about this topic recently and in the book, it makes some interesting points.) Do you think he would have survived without food and water or any attention for 3 days. Do you think he would have survived being wound in 75 lbs of graveclothes? I don't think he would have had the strength to take off the graveclothes, push the heavy stone away from the grave opening, overtake the Roman guards and walk miles on his feet which had been pierced with spikes. At that point, would he have the strength to present himself as a glorious and majestic God to be worshiped? If this theory is correct, then Christ was involved in blatant lies. His disciples believed and preached that he was dead but came alive again. Jesus did nothing to dispel this belief; he encouraged it. Scot, or anyone else interested, I'd reccomend the book Know Why You Believe by Paul E. Little. It addresses some important questions such as, "Is Christianity rational?", "Is there a God?", "Are the Bible documents reliable?", ''Do science and scripture agree?", and "Why does God allow suffering and evil?".
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Post by Scot on Jan 8, 2004 16:21:10 GMT -5
Do you think he would have survived without food and water or any attention for 3 days. Do you think he would have survived being wound in 75 lbs of graveclothes? I don't think he would have had the strength to take off the graveclothes, push the heavy stone away from the grave opening, overtake the Roman guards and walk miles on his feet which had been pierced with spikes. At that point, would he have the strength to present himself as a glorious and majestic God to be worshiped? I now believe that Christ was dead. But, not based on what you said. It was thought that a human could only survive without water for 72 hours. However, recently there was an earthquake in Iran burying a man alive for 13 days. He was without food. Without water. And he was injured. But he survived. And no, I don't think Jesus could have moved the rock by himself and ovetaken the guards. But I believe his followers could have (moved the rock), but not overtaken the guards based on what ShiningLight said. Sorry. The thing that did it for me was Jesus's blood seperating, which is why I said, "That's all I need to hear." But thanks anyway for the reply.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 9, 2004 16:14:00 GMT -5
I am not exactly what your point is here scot but the majority is not always right. Let me just pull some Jesus quotes from my good friend matthew... 7:13 and 14 "For wide is the gate and broad is the road which leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few will find it." You say 18 million people are christians... I doubt it. The only method they could use is by asking people what they are. If you ask the average person in america they would say they are a christian. Have half of them even read a significant part of the bible? Do 25% even try to apply what they read in the bible? I would be willing to guess that out of 18 million maybe half are christians. Maybe im wrong i dont know.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 9, 2004 16:18:42 GMT -5
by the way the scripture on the death/ reserection of jesus: Matthew 26-28 Mark 14-16 Luke 22-24 John 18-21 Theres four eye witness accounts who recorded what they saw. In a court of law that we be considered enough to make a man guilty/inocent Acts1:1-11 this is him going from earth to heaven shortly after the resurection
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Post by Scot on Jan 9, 2004 16:23:43 GMT -5
I am not exactly what your point is here scot but the majority is not always right. Let me just pull some Jesus quotes from my good friend matthew... 7:13 and 14 "For wide is the gate and broad is the road which leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few will find it." You say 18 million people are christians... I doubt it. The only method they could use is by asking people what they are. If you ask the average person in america they would say they are a christian. Have half of them even read a significant part of the bible? Do 25% even try to apply what they read in the bible? I would be willing to guess that out of 18 million maybe half are christians. Maybe im wrong i dont know. LOL I am really sorry. These are the statistics of religion in........India. Whoops...
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Post by ajmizu on Jan 9, 2004 21:02:32 GMT -5
LOL I am really sorry. These are the statistics of religion in........India. Whoops... totally NOT making fun of you, but that was really funny... I was going to say that those numbers sounded REALLY low... for all three religions!
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Post by Ash on Jan 9, 2004 23:27:07 GMT -5
That's awesome that he was found alive. Definitely a miracle. I just read in the paper today that he did have access to water...otherwise I doubt he would have made it. And about the religion statistics...Scot you make me smile. No bigge; we all make mistakes. That was classic though
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Post by H-Zence on Jan 10, 2004 0:18:54 GMT -5
JK, I kind of do and I kind of don't agree with you about the "non-believer" thing. I think typically in American Society non-believer implies not believing in Christianity considering that's what dominates our country. However, can see how you might interpret as though you have no beliefs at all - but if you wanted to be specific about what you don't believe, you would have to say non-christian, non-hindu, etc. Lol. In a nutshell, I suppose it's just easier for some to say "non-believer".
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Post by WaffleHouse on Jan 11, 2004 1:23:51 GMT -5
King James VersionThis version agrees with Steve's statement NIVThis version contradicts Steve's statement The point is translation is not perfect, and everything is up for interpretation.
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Post by Colliohn on Jan 11, 2004 12:44:08 GMT -5
Jon i would be very interested in hearing where you found out that to God abortion isnt a sin. Because i can give you verses in the bible that say how God was thinking about a persons life before they were born. He though about them while they were still inside Mommy. God had a plan for that person and someone is destroying it. Thats not being loving, your not giving someone a chance. Thats messing with the second and greatest commandment. This is going back quite a bit in the thread, but I was confused by your statement saying that the second commandment was the greatest one. That would imply that god saw (I'm not sure in which order you put the commandments, but I assume you speak of the 'not killing people' one?) killing as a worse sin than the other sins. This contradicts something you said on another thread about no sin being greater than another... Anyway, sorry if I jumped the gun by posting this, if someone already mentioned it or whatever. I was curious, so I asked.
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Jan 11, 2004 17:28:01 GMT -5
I wont even bother continuing this was he dead or still alive discussion, because jesus's existence even as a human is extremely questionable, more so doubtfull.
People only follow this absurd religion because it feeds their needs as flawed human beings.
If there were ANY story about people getting ressurected, walking on water, the world flooding, ANY story like that that didnt also tell you that if you believe in it you will go to a heaven, its only followers would be called crazy.
Christianity has followers because of fear, because of what this false religion offers, what it supplies us with. All things within this are fabricated, but send our minds into a melee of physical manifestations such as feeling loved by god.
Absolutely Ridiculous.
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Post by CrotchKickSteve on Jan 12, 2004 18:01:41 GMT -5
As jesus's Vice Jesus, I am in charge of sending ppl like john to hell for bad talkn mr. Jesus ... I hope you like Deathmetal music John cuz thats what ur goin to be listening to in Hell as your soul is raped over and over again by a demon named bubba. Artist of choice... Crytopsy C O L D H A T E W A R M B L O O D!
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Post by chups on Jan 12, 2004 23:29:34 GMT -5
hey, John, you been reading that book?
Judging by your post no, but I still think you should check it out, for arguements sake.
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Post by Colliohn on Jan 13, 2004 0:15:19 GMT -5
Oh, you mean the bible? I started that over the summer... pretty decent literature for its time... kinda dry though. *yawns*
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