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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Mar 25, 2004 21:56:48 GMT -5
well i guess im close minded then, so why do you bother arguing with me if im so close minded Because you refuse to live and let live. Because your statements genuinley anger me. Because you strive for conversion in people who are at a public school, a place of public learning, not spreading Faith. I bother to argue because you ignore the last line I wrote on account of your belief that since your doing "god"'s will, you have the right to infringe on people's rights, push your beliefs on them in public areas, and spread your beliefs indiscriminatley. Its like you think you have some liscence to convert that reigns above law and common decency with your fellow man. Your opinions generally bother me. And they do so enough to motivate my fingers into typing. Thats basically it. It is so very hard for me to not reply to people in any debate or arguement on account of my belief that they are closed minded. I realize that what I am saying is futile in that it won't cause someone to stop believing, but some of the things I hear and read... they just need to be set straight. Or atleast, what I percieve as straight.
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Post by Colliohn on Mar 25, 2004 22:33:25 GMT -5
One quick thing... I didn't even know the term 'atheist' until about 6th or 7th grade. When did I realize I didn't believe in god? 3rd or 4th grade, if not sooner. This was in a school surrounded by impressionable young children who were ALL raised christian. I had no one to get ideas from, I developed my beliefs on my own with common sense and simple logic. Another thing I'll throw out there: I had a best friend from kindergarten through 3rd grade who, when I began to share my beliefs in 3rd/4th grade, decided he didn't want to be my friend anymore becuase I was going to, as he reminded me often "burn in hell".
In other words... I was open-minded enough to see alternatives to Christianity when surrounded by young christians as a young person myself, and also when I had people condemning me based on my difference of belief.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Mar 26, 2004 9:31:12 GMT -5
I do have a license to spread my beliefs john, its called the bill of rights, the freedom of speech. I have every right to tell people about Jesus and no one is going to stop me. School is a place of education, including religiouse education. This isnt a place where we go to strictly learn about science and math and things that are "proven" true. School is a place we go to become knowledgable. Infringe on peoples rights? I assure you, here in the United States I have the right to share my faith, if people do not want to hear it then to bad. Theres no law that says i can not spread my faith.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Mar 26, 2004 22:47:30 GMT -5
well then i guess i challenge you to the same principle: "Live and let live" there captin abortion
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Post by Colliohn on Mar 28, 2004 19:48:45 GMT -5
Actually, the bill of rights gives you the right to PRACTICE your faith, but does not give you the right to spread your faith. You may argue that in practicing your faith you must spread it, but specifically SPREADing your faith is not a guaranteed right anywhere in our consititution or bill of rights.
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Post by Aislinne on Mar 29, 2004 8:50:54 GMT -5
::claps for Colliohn::
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Post by joelhaldeman on Mar 30, 2004 8:47:37 GMT -5
We'll i will argue that practicing my faith means spreading it. likewise you are not given the right to be free from me spreading my faith.
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Post by Colliohn on Apr 4, 2004 19:49:43 GMT -5
Hm... by your argument, you are not given the right to prevent me from burning every bible in my site (let's pretend I have lots of money, and I buy them all first). If you can argue you have the right to spread your faith (which you don't), then I can make up any rights I want and say that as part of my freedom of religion, I am allowed to, say, burn bibles en mass.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Apr 6, 2004 20:28:29 GMT -5
yes, champ, you are allowed to burn bible. whos going to stop you? Maybe a bunch of crazy christians will shoot you and claim to be doping Gods will but they just dont have control and want to blame their actions on God. When was anyone ever arrested for spreading their faith? Someone may be arrested for practicing their faith because America is not a free nation it is a christian nation. But in this regard the government will never stop me from spreading my faith.
And what i mean by a "christian nation" is that if a religion was set up where they burn living people in order to worship God it would be outlawed.
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Post by Colliohn on Apr 6, 2004 21:30:54 GMT -5
I don't think I was arguing that the government would stop you, just that it was not a guarenteed right anywhere that you were allowed to spread your faith. As long as you didn't piss anyone off or hurt anyone in the process it would all be perfectly legal, if a bit annoying to those who don't wish to listen to your message.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Apr 13, 2004 20:32:49 GMT -5
I guess all to often i get wrapped up in the politics of this country and dont stop and think about what stance Jesus would take on the issues. Although I will continue to say homosexuality is wrong based in my world of absolutes created by God. God allows man to have the freedom to choose. America was created because the puritans wanted freedom from the rules of England. By taking the rights of marriage away from homosexual couples I will in no way change their lifestyle. They will not change their ways due to legislation.
I guess to often I ask that non belivers conform to the standards of the Bible, when i clearly should not be. This is what makes the church so unattractive. Your shunned if you are not good. People(and I included) often expect a chage of lifestyle before a change of heart. This is clearly the opposit of what Jesus did.
I appologise for this attitude, it is not one I should have
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Post by desertfox on Apr 14, 2004 18:31:55 GMT -5
Oh behave! ;D
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Post by Mike on Apr 14, 2004 21:40:09 GMT -5
Wow, I don't know what to say....I am just very happy to see you say that, because you've made a point I've been trying to get across for so long...that religion and legislation are two separate things. I likely cannot change your opinion about homosexuals, anymore than you could likely change mine. Once we accept that, then we can both look at the bigger picture, the picture outside of religion...as you have done. I thank you for having the courage and willingness to do that.
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on May 23, 2004 2:27:10 GMT -5
I do have a license to spread my beliefs john, its called the bill of rights, the freedom of speech. I have every right to tell people about Jesus and no one is going to stop me. School is a place of education, including religiouse education. This isnt a place where we go to strictly learn about science and math and things that are "proven" true. School is a place we go to become knowledgable. Infringe on peoples rights? I assure you, here in the United States I have the right to share my faith, if people do not want to hear it then to bad. Theres no law that says i can not spread my faith. Don't take what i'm saying out of context. Yes, of course you have the right to spread your faith, I would never want to take that from you, or anyone. What matters is HOW you spread your faith and WHERE you spread your faith. *Certain ways of doing it* in public (funded by the government) places is not acceptable, nor legal. Such as scripture on public high school walls.. posted by a school sponsored club.
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on May 23, 2004 2:30:17 GMT -5
well then i guess i challenge you to the same principle: "Live and let live" there captin abortion did you just call me capt Ain abortion? Was this not a joke of some type? I mean, if not.. thats probably the most off-subject, and most immature attempted insult I've read on the boards. Congratulations.
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