Brainwashed Patriots

[H-Zence]

You know, there's nothing wrong with supporting one's country. However, it gets annoying when you go to far.

One type of person I cannot stand is the Brainwashed Patriot. This type wears a cowboy hat, only listens to country or anything patriotic, says the pledge eight times a day, and has an american flag everywhere imaginable that isn't considered "disrespectful". Furthermore, when they see someone that doesn't look patriotic, they'll proceed to call the person a Nazi.

Not to mention the fact that they support the American military in everything they do, even if it's TOTALLY STUPID.

No names mentioned, due to forum rules...just throwing it out there.

[Lynnet]

Indeed...I'm totally not patriotic anymore. I mean, sure it's nice to draw people together under the stars and stripes sometimes, because humans inherently need to feel that they are part of a larger whole...however, I wish people would just get over the fact that "Oh, we're Americans, we're so great, we love freedom and equality, and our money, and helping out the rest of the world because we're just sooooo nice" ....Yeah, right.... and then we tell all those Mexican people crossing the border to try to make it to a better life to head back home, cause there's no place for them here in freedom-loving America...

I've also recently stopped standing for the pledge in the mornings...haven't said it since last year, but just don't bother even standing anymore now. But my homeroom teacher was all like "You know, you really should stand, don't you have any respect for your country?" And apparently, my brother informed me that he's seen kids get in trouble with teachers for not standing in middle school, which is simply downright wrong on the teachers' parts...Oy, I really think it's pointless to waste 30 seconds standing up, reciting a pointless poem, and sitting back down each morning when it really means nothing to most of the people who say it. I mean, half the kids don't even say it right, mock it, just kind of mumble through...And personally, I think I'm appreciating my freedom more if I take advantage of my rights and opt to get some cramming done, or just reflect on things in the precious little time that is wasted by demonstrating how much crazy control the government has in the brainwashing of kids...Plus, the "under God" phrase is really quite biased. Apparently that issue is going to the Supreme Court this year...that'll be interesting.

Another thing I thought of...(lol, this should be in the other thread probably) is how so many people have the respect for the country to stand up and spend 30 seconds saying the pledge each morning, however they don't have the respect for other people to waste a few seconds holding a door open...

Heh, and a song that really bugs me...Red, White, & Blue by Lynard Skynard or however it's spelled "My hair's turning white, my neck's always been red, my collar's still blue..." Okaaaaay then...

[JustPeachE]

I like the new pledge

I still stand a recite most of the pledge, i just leave the under god part out.

[Colliohn]

Yeah... I hate the people who support the war in Iraq, while at the same time would never in a million years enlist to fight and possibly *gasp* die for their country!

You know why I'm against the war? (one reason, at least) We are losing hundreds of lives over there; men and women with husbands or wives, children, families, jobs, friends, etc... back here. And what are they dying for? They're dying so that some Shiite can try to rig the elections so they can have yet another dictator over in Iraq.
We're not wanted there, we don't belong there.
Every other time America has fucked around in the Middle East, it has caused the loss of more life than was supposedly saved by our incursions.
Yet there are still people over here in the good old US of A who support this 'just' war, w/o even knowing why we're there really, and who wouldn't give the shirt off their back to a soldier, much less risk their own lives to fight for their country.

the hypocrits... don't support a war you aren't willing to fight and fucking DIE for.


(Please note: I have rarely cursed on these forums... think I'm a little passionate about this subject?)

[Fish]

Let's just start by saying that I disagree with the war. I wouldnt want to fly over to Iraq to get shot at in the desert. But if I got called up by a draft-type recruiting officer, I wouldn't try to escape it.

I dont agree with our motives, but I would go along with my country, even if it is just to finish what GW's dad didnt. The only war the US has ever lost was when we refused to support our troops. I'd rather win a bad fight than lose a just one.

[Colliohn]

btw, my rant was totally anonymous and wasn't directed towards anyone in these forums.

[desertfox]

A strong feeling of nationalism is what makes a country strong. Love for ones country above all else. People in this country are too conserned about putting people in to groups: dem, repubs, black, white, asian, hispanic, Muslim, Christian, jew,ect......... If we would put americanism first then we would all have something incommon. America first should be the policy of that masses. People like you only hurt america, Especially Lynnet's views on illegal imigration. The mexicans that cross over to our country illegally are braking our laws and thus are criminals. If it was up to her she would allow them all in.
(ps. don't even try to call me anti-hispanic, becuase I am half hispanic myself)

[Lynnet]

desertfox said:

A strong feeling of nationalism is what makes a country strong. Love for ones country above all else. People in this country are too conserned about putting people in to groups: dem, repubs, black, white, asian, hispanic, Muslim, Christian, jew,ect......... If we would put americanism first then we would all have something incommon. America first should be the policy of that masses. People like you only hurt america, Especially Lynnet's views on illegal imigration. The mexicans that cross over to our country illegally are braking our laws and thus are criminals. If it was up to her she would allow them all in.
(ps. don't even try to call me anti-hispanic, becuase I am half hispanic myself)

My main issue with "putting Americanism first" is that it alienates everyone who is not American...putting them into the groups of "Oo, you're Iraqi/British/Chinese/Russian/Argentinian/South African/etc..." Ideally, it should be "putting humanism first": uniting as one human species for a common good of all people. However, it would seem that humans just can't seem to realize that as a whole...they create the divisions between them, and it really sucks. In my view, the divisions of race, religion, social status, etc, are no different than those created by the boundaries of what country you live in. Love for all humanity should be first, because that's the one group that every human being on this planet is a part of. No one can deny that. America doesn't love polygamists; it also used to not love African-Americans, or women. The problem is, in the wise words of Abe Lincoln, "You can please all of the people some of the time, or some of the people all the time." As long as there is government and set rules, not everyone will be happy with said rules because of some reason or another; no government can be perfect because no governed country is perfect because the citizens of no country are perfect. So that's why, at least I think, things are the way they are....so I suppose we're stuck. Heh. But we just have to remember: America isn't the whole world, and the whole world isn't America's.

[desertfox]

Lynnet is a prime example of liberalism in America. If it was up to her the United States would be under U.N. control and be taking orders from Belgium.

Lynnet fails to realize that the United States is the 21st century equivalent of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire shaped the known world as they saw fit and crushed all that opposed them, but they also bettered the lives of many under Roman rule.

The United States needs to wake up and realize that we don't need to aplease small insignificant countries like France, or all of Europe for that matter. Might is right and the will of the United States SHOULD be the law of the land. Might is right and we have the might, and it is time to use it!!!!!

[desertfox]

Lynnet is a prime example of liberalism in America. If it was up to her the United States would be under U.N. control and be taking orders from Belgium.

Lynnet fails to realize that the United States is the 21st century equivalent of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire shaped the known world as they saw fit and crushed all that opposed them, but they also bettered the lives of many under Roman rule.

The United States needs to wake up and realize that we don't need to aplease small insignificant countries like France, or all of Europe for that matter. Might is right and the will of the United States SHOULD be the law of the land. Might is right and we have the might, and it is time to use it!!!

Lynnet's liberal ideas of humanity as a whole and the humanity first not America first policy would destroy our country and our way of life. We need none Americans to live in object poverty. Our standard of living depends on it. We can't allow other peoples of the world to enjoy the same standard of living as we do, becuase our planet can't substain it!! We consume 1/3 of the natural resources of our planet, yet represent only a fraction of the world's population. If we bring more countries into first world status it will only hurt us. Those countries would start to compete with the U.S. for the same Natural resources, especially oil. We can't afford or allow this, and that is why communism and other opressive forms of government are benificial to the U.S. Russia under communism consumed a lot fewer resources that if it had been under a capitalist economy.

It is time to take what is ours and tell the world that they will abide by our terms, and not the other way around. We must to this or our standard of living will decrease, and I know that any sane American would not want to give that up!!!!!!!!

[Colliohn]

So I suppose we should kill all the cripples and retards too? They are only using up resources, right?

You're such a jackass. Americans aren't any better or more deserving of the resources of our planet than any else.

YOU need to wake up and realize we live in a world where Americans are the minority, and we live in a country that is Democratic, NOT an empire such as Rome was for most of its expansion years.

The Will of the people is the law, not the will of conservatives like you. Just because you don't care about anyone else but yourself doesn't mean everyone should be a conceited jerk who only looks out for themselves and no one else.


You fail to realize that the pro-american policy you have outlined is the reason the WHOLE FUCKING WORLD hates us, and why we are the subject of terrorism.

[Colliohn]

You are a prime example of a brainwashed patriot. You just don't go around in a cowboy hat and wear an American flag.

Actually, you're worse than a brainwashed patriot. You don't care about America so much as you care about your own well being. You just use America as a way to get yourself more. You are the worst kind of capitalist.

[desertfox]

Rome was a Republic (during some of it's exsistence)

I never said anything about killing crippled people, but that statement by collion is a prime example of liberal spin.

Sometimes people don't know whats good for them so it takes others to do it for them. This is why dictatorship is only bad when the dictator is bad. Dictatorship is the most efficient form of gov't but it is very pron to abuse and that is why it almost never works.

Liberals are the minority in the country, not the conservatives!!!! They days of liberalism in this country is coming to an end!!

[Colliohn]

I just figured killing people who couldn't fend for themselves would be the next logical step after taking over the world... oh, sorry, that was Hitler... didn't he take after the Romans too? yeah...

Anyway, Rome was a republic for a good bit of its life, but during its later expansion years, it became an empire and stayed that way for a while.
So we can keep electing Bush for a few more years until he's got most of the world 'liberated', then he can abolish democracy and declare himself emporer.

Liberals and conservatives are in balance, otherwise why would the last presidential election have been so close?

[JohnnyJihadFace]

desertfox said:

A strong feeling of nationalism is what makes a country strong. Love for ones country above all else. People in this country are too conserned about putting people in to groups: dem, repubs, black, white, asian, hispanic, Muslim, Christian, jew,ect......... If we would put americanism first then we would all have something incommon. America first should be the policy of that masses. People like you only hurt america, Especially Lynnet's views on illegal imigration. The mexicans that cross over to our country illegally are braking our laws and thus are criminals. If it was up to her she would allow them all in.
(ps. don't even try to call me anti-hispanic, becuase I am half hispanic myself)

sure, and as soon as our money hungry leaders stop lying to us, acting on get-rich schemes, making decisions for the benefit of themselves instead of our world and country you will see much more
"americanism". Problem is this won't stop, because human beings are plain stupid, and full of greed.

All of the wrong people have power. Or maybe the power makes them what they are, either way its disgusting... being asked to support what we do when it is so blatantly twisted and full of ulterior motives is ridiculous.. being patriotic about such things more of a problem than Americans hating their own country's actions.