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Post by PaganPriest on Jan 3, 2004 2:21:03 GMT -5
just an idea that came to me.
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Post by CrotchKickSteve on Jan 3, 2004 23:37:51 GMT -5
Nothing is impossible
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Post by Scot on Jan 4, 2004 0:05:09 GMT -5
Quick steve, will yourself to go invisible!!!!
...oh wait
ITS IMPOSSIBLE!
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Post by PaganPriest on Jan 6, 2004 8:53:48 GMT -5
Quick! prove the existance of god!
oh wait
that too is impossible
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Post by Scot on Jan 6, 2004 16:46:16 GMT -5
According to your beliefs. You can't actually prove that. But I'm sure someone can prove that Steve would not have the ability to will himself invisible.
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Post by Manic Street Preacher on Feb 13, 2004 21:03:15 GMT -5
I have a secret to being invisible. Its from this ring i got long ago in a dark cave. At first i didn't know why i had it but i figured out from a little man with 2 bad knees. We played a small game of Riddles for it. I out smarted him and i kept it!
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Post by JustPeachE on Feb 15, 2004 11:15:03 GMT -5
I love the hobbit
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Post by Amminadab on Jun 30, 2004 22:40:05 GMT -5
To be serious on this issue, I believe that time travel might be possible, but the ramifications of it would force people to prohibit the traveling. According to physics, as one approaches the speed of light, time slows down. This is the Law of Relativity (either Special or General, i forget). If it would be possible to travel faster than light, in theory, we could go back in time. Since, however, hyperspeed travel has not been invented yet, this is not practical. The only possible means of time travel would be to either go through a wormhole and therefore end up on another piece of the time-space continuium, or you could theoretically create a rip in the time-space fabric and "fall" through to another time. Another possible way would be to go into the Supermassive Blackhole at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy and hopefully survive and come out in another time. These are the possiblilities.
Time travel would create problems for the universe as we know it. If a person would go back in time, I believe just being there would create problems in the future. For instance, if your landing makes someone look at you, they would be doing something differently from what they had previously been doing in history. You therefore have already altered history. The problem is that it would create a butterfly effect throughout the annals of history, meaning that it might cause a chain reaction leading to the point where you make your time machine, meaning you might never had made it, thus creating a paradox that you could essentially, by going back into history, erase yourself from history. Do you see the problems?!? This is why I highly doubt that anyone will go back into time.
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Post by Colliohn on Jul 21, 2004 0:27:11 GMT -5
Ah, but what if there has already been time travel, and we are living the ramifications of the travelers? We would never know anything happened, because nothing 'changed' as far as we are concerned. This is my view on time travel. If it is possible, it has already happened countless times and the world we live in now is the result of that travel. You can't 'change' the past simply because anything you go back and do to 'change' it is necessary to keep our present as it was when you left.
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Post by DeliveUSToDeth on Sept 24, 2004 21:58:05 GMT -5
its too vauge to just say time travel....though keep in mind time is just an imagineary concept
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Post by Jedikiller on Feb 27, 2005 19:52:10 GMT -5
Well I have two issues with time travel. First of all is just the concept in itself. The problem is that to God there is no time. I have covered this in a different thread, but God is not held back by these laws. To God, all of "time" is just layed out.
Also, I believe that you cannot go back in time and change the past. If any of you have read Timeline by Michael Crichton (NOT the movie, the book) it is explained in detail there. If you want to know, ask, and I will elaborate on this concept.
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Post by Satori on Mar 2, 2005 9:31:12 GMT -5
Also, I believe that you cannot go back in time and change the past. If any of you have read Timeline by Michael Crichton (NOT the movie, the book) it is explained in detail there. If you want to know, ask, and I will elaborate on this concept. Weeeeeellll, there is a theory that overcomes this paradox and that's that if you go back in time and change something, the timeline divides at that point and creates an alternative future. There may in fact be an infinite amount of futures anyway. One of the underlying principles of quantum theory is that there is a small (but finite) probablity that anything can happen, and that all these possible outcomes exist in futures waiting for something to collapse their wavefunction. However the probablilty of some things happening is so remote that one may need to wait longer than the age of the universe for them to happen. Imagine you're walking across a room. There are futures awaiting whereby you walk from one side of the room to the other via Mars, but the most probably case will be that don't go via Mars and your wavefunction is most likely to collapse in such a way that you take a simple route (not - hopefully - via Mars). Quantum theory does sound like science fiction a lot of the time, but the so-called 'Standard Model' is (along with relativity) one of the most successfully tested theories in scientific history. Experimentally it's fairly spot-on, but a lot of physicists have their own take on what it means philosophically.
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Post by Jedikiller on Mar 2, 2005 14:46:06 GMT -5
Yes you are right in saying that if you choose to go to Harmons or Albertsons the future will change. (If that's what you're trying to say)
But if you were to go back in time and kill your grandfather to be stuck in a time paradox, it won't happen (by my standards) Too many things would get in your way. You wouldn't be able to find him, your gun would mis-fire, you'd hurt but not fatally wound him, people would stop you.....etc.
I agree you may be able to do that, but then wouldn't you be CREATING the future, not changing it? There is a difference.
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Post by Satori on Mar 2, 2005 17:00:56 GMT -5
There are 4 main paradoxes encountered in time travel. 1. The grandfather paradox, which you described; making it impossible to exist by killing an ancestor. 2. The information paradox, which is where information coming from the future has no origin in the timeline. For example, let's say I create a time machine and then go back in time with it to give the secret of time travel to myself when I was younger. This secret would have no origin because the time machine I then possess as a youth was not created by me at that time but handed to me by my older self. 3. Bilker's paradox, which is knowing what's going to happen in the future and doing something to stop it from happening. Let's say I go to the future and find out that I'm going to marry Madonna on 1.1.2020, but I come back again and make sure I marry a woman called Kylie on 1.1.2020 instead. 4. The sexual paradox, which is were you go back in time and father yourself, which is biologically impossible. There is a theory called the 'self-consistency theory' that postulates that free will would be suspended to prevent these paradoxes. A Russian cosmologist called Igor Novikov suggested that an as yet undiscovered law of physics would suspend free will to prevent these paradoxes from occurring. Then there's the 'many worlds' solution. If you were to go back in time and shoot your parents, this theory postulates that time would branch into two alternate universes at that point. You would have killed two people who are genetically the same as your parents in one universe - a universe where you were never born - but your parents would still exist in your original universe. Take your pick!
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Post by Jedikiller on Mar 5, 2005 11:33:08 GMT -5
I agree that those are all theoretical paradoxes, and work well on paper, but I believe they won't happen in real life. If we were ever able to travel through time, I don't believe you'd be able to find your grandfather to kill him, or maybe you'd try to give your old self information, but you couldn't find them, or something, etc.
Pretty much that all of those work well when you just talk about them, but so does faster than light travel. The hard part is actually getting there.
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