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Post by critr on Mar 1, 2005 2:24:20 GMT -5
according to scripture we are a spectacle before the universe 1corinthians 4:9 ,which means other creations of God who haven't "sinned" are watching us besides aren't angels other beings? As to are we made in the image of God well,isn't Jesus a man who is God and since all was made through and by Him I think that means God has the same phsyical image as us. And since He made the physical enviroments that we have lived in and the laws that govern them,that we know of.I'm sure there is more to learn about what we can and cannot do as humans and I'm sure that when He returns we will have different yet the same body types. critr
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Post by Satori on Mar 1, 2005 5:10:12 GMT -5
Well, in Mormonism we "know" that life exists on other planets than our own, and that God is their God as well. I personally think that this also means that they have their own Bible, but I'm not so sure. All I do know is that we are the worst world of them all. We are the evilest, and we are also the most rightous (if that makes ANY sense) which is why God sent his only begotten to THIS world, and why he flooded THIS world. Interesting. Don't you think the world would have flooded anyway? Melting ice ages and such. It'll flood again too, and probably burn. How does one separate God's doings from geological doings, or are we to assume that God has a hand in everything?
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Post by MrEusOne on Mar 1, 2005 9:57:17 GMT -5
The only time that you could point to God being like us in the physical sense you speak of was when the Word became flesh through the incarnation. Jesus Christ, the second member of the Holy Trinity. Well, according to Genesis 32:24-30 God wrestles with Jacob, so that would imply that he does have a body, or can manifest himself in a human body. Not to mention that God tries to cheat by throwing Jacob's hip out of joint.
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Post by Areopagite on Mar 1, 2005 10:15:50 GMT -5
Yes, God appeared in human form throughout the Old Testament when He chose to manifest Himself that way (He also appeared as a burning bush, a pillar of cloud, etc.). These are called theophanies. This is different, though, from when God became man by "taking on flesh".
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Post by MrEusOne on Mar 1, 2005 10:41:37 GMT -5
These are called theophanies. This is different, though, from when God became man by "taking on flesh". In what way? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then usually it would be safe to assume that what you are observing is, in fact, a duck. I looked up theophanies. Seems like some pretty fine hair splitting going on there: So basically, it's not contradictory because the bible says it's not contradictory. That seems to be a pretty circular argument, IMHO.
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Post by MrEusOne on Mar 1, 2005 10:44:52 GMT -5
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Post by Electron on Mar 1, 2005 13:00:31 GMT -5
It is just as easy to say that God does have the bipedal stance and gave it to us, and created the earth with the limitations that he did. He knew exactly what type of terrain was best for our bodies, and created if for us. But this tells us that god belonged to a particualr Earth-like terrain, very similar in mass and size - not to mention temperature, atmospheric composition etc. Look, I don't know about you, but it is HIGHLY suggestive of an oversight by the authors of th OT. Without the benefit of modern engineering knowledge they simply didn't realise what a gaff they were making in this respect.
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Post by Jedikiller on Mar 1, 2005 13:11:33 GMT -5
What do you believe he created the rest of the universe for then? I believe it was for all of his other children on different planets. I think I posted in more depth about this in another thread.
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Post by Jedikiller on Mar 1, 2005 13:16:23 GMT -5
Interesting. Don't you think the world would have flooded anyway? Melting ice ages and such. It'll flood again too, and probably burn. How does one separate God's doings from geological doings, or are we to assume that God has a hand in everything? How I separate God's doings from just natural things is if it had a point and/or purpose. The flooding of the Earth with noah had a purpose, but the Tsunami's (just barely) did not (that I know of) God just let's the Earth sort out it's differences all by itself.
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Post by Areopagite on Mar 1, 2005 16:20:47 GMT -5
Look, I don't know about you, but it is HIGHLY suggestive of an oversight by the authors of th OT. Without the benefit of modern engineering knowledge they simply didn't realise what a gaff they were making in this respect. I love that flawed notion that just because the ancient writers didn't wear lab coats and carry microscopes everywhere they must be ridiculously stupid. It's an all too typical "modern" notion. The flooding of the Earth with noah had a purpose, but the Tsunami's (just barely) did not (that I know of) God just let's the Earth sort out it's differences all by itself. God allowed it to happen, and so there must be some sort of purpose even if you don't know what it is, Jedikiller.
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Post by Electron on Mar 1, 2005 16:23:21 GMT -5
I believe it was for all of his other children on different planets. I think I posted in more depth about this in another thread. This would seem to be very much at odds with the usual interpretaion of mans relationship with god would it not? Do I detect evasion of my observation that if god wanted man to resemble himself, he would have to be constrianed by the same contingencies that give rise to this type of bodyplan?
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Post by Areopagite on Mar 1, 2005 16:33:58 GMT -5
This would seem to be very much at odds with the usual interpretaion of mans relationship with god would it not? Do I detect evasion of my observation that if god wanted man to resemble himself, he would have to be constrianed by the same contingencies that give rise to this type of bodyplan? Agreed, Jedikiller's interpretation is at odds with orthodox teaching. I think I'd have to also agree with your point about the fallacy of interpreting "in his image" in a physical sense like Jedikiller has. It would be contradictory for God to be limited in the physical sense we are yet omnipotent and omnipresent.
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Post by Electron on Mar 1, 2005 16:41:12 GMT -5
I love that flawed notion that just because the ancient writers didn't wear lab coats and carry microscopes everywhere they must be ridiculously stupid. It's an all too typical "modern" notion. So you think that they knew back then that you couldn't just scale up a an object to arbitrary proportions, and that the mass and size of the planet are limiting factors, let alone knowing the true mass and size of the Earth? I made no assesment of intelligence, I only pointed to a lack of knowledge. Your comment runs the risk of revealing an ingnorance about the difference between the two. As a great admirer of every age of human intelect, without exception, I am offended by your grossly exaggerated remark.
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Post by Jedikiller on Mar 1, 2005 23:02:17 GMT -5
Not everything has a purpose. Bad things happen in this world for three reasons. First, they happen because you are being punished for sinning. Second, they happen because you are being tested by God, and thirdly, they happen because TEXTbad things just happen!TEXT
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Post by Jedikiller on Mar 1, 2005 23:04:29 GMT -5
This would seem to be very much at odds with the usual interpretaion of mans relationship with god would it not? Do I detect evasion of my observation that if god wanted man to resemble himself, he would have to be constrianed by the same contingencies that give rise to this type of bodyplan? God would not have to be constrained by the same limitations. Sure, God might have a liver, I don't know, but that doesn't mean that he HAS to have a liver. That doesn't mean he HAS to have the same muscle tone as we do to walk around on Earth, and not the moon, for example. He could have given us everything that we need (physically) to support our spirits. Are you saying that our spirits have the same physical limitations as our mortal bodies do?
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