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Post by Colliohn on Feb 18, 2004 20:04:56 GMT -5
What I have gotten from the majority of Christians I have spoken with is that the whole point of us being around is to worship and love god. That's it, no other reason whatsoever. nada. zilch.
So why in hell's name would I lower myself to being just another mindless minion of that collective when I can be unique, and learn things for myself. You christians really are all the same: you think you're right, everyone else is wrong, and that everyone else is damned for their ignorance and 'sin'.
Newsflash guys: EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS[/i] THEY'RE RIGHT TOO.
Don't give me that "oh, but Jesus told us we're the right ones" or "the bible has prophecy that is true...". I am positive that other religions have just as much "proof" as you do; just because you say they don't have it doesn't make it so.
Christianity isn't really unique among the masses of religion either, you all (at least, all the Judo-derived religions) know you're right and everyone else is wrong, and wish to convert everyone to your one and only 'right' truth.
Well, look at this from my point of view. I am as much of an outside observer as you can get (or any atheist who doesn't have prejudice against a specific religion). What do I see? A bunch of scared little people who would hide their eyes from the truth rather than face the possibility of being alone in an infinite universe; children who can't accept the possibility that their own lives are finite, so they make up one sort of after life or another.
You claim to be brave by embracing your god and spreading its word? You are cowards. You simply refuse to look at the world as it truly is, but instead look at it behind the lense of faith which warps everything to appear as the bible says it is, and you so wish it to be.
I challenge any of you to tell me what the point of your existance is, beyond loving a guy who obviously has depression issues, if he needs to create a universe just so he can be loved.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Feb 18, 2004 21:18:15 GMT -5
DUDE I GOT A DELL!
from what i have understood from reading a few things and it kinda makes sence is that God created man not because he needed to be worshiped but because he wanted us to enjoy him. By worshiping him, christians get the most joy and he wants us to have the most joy, i may have mentioned something about this in the christian hedonist thread which no one wanted to reply to. "Gods not insecure, hes not afraid of who or what you believe in"-sonic flood
He wants us to worship him so we can be happy, and that worship includes far more then singing. It is a lifestyle
Yeah your right, i havnt proved there is a Jesus so right now it is only an opinion, but just as much as your opinion is that i am wrong.
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Post by Colliohn on Feb 18, 2004 22:04:19 GMT -5
Did I say you were wrong? Sorry if I did, I was trying to be impartial.
So then the point of living is to love god and through that love be happy. So happiness is the ultimate point of life?
I still say that isn't too much of a life. You have nothing to strive for, no reason to better yourself once you become a good 'christian'...
congrats on the dell ;-P
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Post by joelhaldeman on Feb 21, 2004 0:45:26 GMT -5
Well to be fair what i said is not agreed upon by all people because some people say that we are living for ourselves instead of for God. Of course the argument is that we are living for God and at the same time seeking happiness because we get happiness from God. After all we are commanded many times to be glad. Or like the verse that says "God loves a cheerful giver" It doesnt "say god loves a giver", but a cheerful giver. Lots of verses like this that imply that it is gods will for us to be happy.
I can understand why it wouldnt seem that great. When i was at a point when i wasnt to passionate or seriouse about this relation with god i would have told you i was satisfied where i was. I would have said that i would be less happy if i were to change for the better. Although I would be wrong. As is the case for me and im sure for every other christian, just ask them, the closer they are to God and living for him the happier they are. Famouse quote by John Piper author of Desiring God "God is most glorified when we are most satisfied in him". I think the problem is christians are far to easily satisfied. No one is willing to change because they are happy where they are. At least i have found this to be true in my own life, and apparently it happens to a lot of people because this guy wrote a book about it like 12 years ago and it is still very popular.
I really do have something to strive for once i become a christian. Im not saying that once you become a christian, you have all the ultimate joy. I have been a christian for a long time but i havnt been hqappy all the time. I had a lot of depressing times in my younger years. But it wasnt untill I FULLY and truely put my trust in god that life has been good. Im not saying that everything is grand and i never ever frown. But overall life is good. Im at a point in my life where i can honestly say that this is the good life. Its incredible living and its a hard decision as to whether or not i would rather keep on living and serving God or die and spend eternity with him(this is in no way a suicide contemplation). Im lovin life right now and i think thats the way it should be. We were ment to enjoy life and the way to indulge in this joy is in God.
i think the best way to respond to this is Philippians 3:12...
8 I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith. 10I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but [glow=red,2,300]I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.[/glow]13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: [glow=red,2,300]Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
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I do have something to strive for. Becoming a "good christian" is nto something that just happens. I will never be at a point where i am satisfied. I keep on thirsting for a deeper more passionate desire for God and it keeps getting better. The joy does not level off at a certain point it just keeps increasing as i continue to put more and more of my trust in Jesus. And as long as i do this i will continue to look forward to the day that i stand before jesus. Because if im living like he wants me to then i will be able to approach him boldy with my eyes on his with nothing to be ashamed about.
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Post by Manic Street Preacher on Feb 25, 2004 18:13:56 GMT -5
I love God. Cooliohn if your so big and bad why don't you stop praying to God? God created you and everything you know. He can easily just destroy it all. Your just weak and powerless when it comes to my brother, God.
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Post by Colliohn on Feb 25, 2004 20:57:33 GMT -5
I love God. Cooliohn if your so big and bad why don't you stop praying to God? God created you and everything you know. He can easily just destroy it all. Your just weak and powerless when it comes to my brother, God. Shit, I pray to god?! Dammit! If I'd have known that I wouldn't have spent the last half of my life claiming to be an atheist and blaspheming god... Anyway, aside from that... I have no reason whatsoever to believe what you have just said, so why bother telling it to me without something that might make me believe it...? FYI: God is a figment of your imagination, you believe in him simply because you were told to as a child and now you cannot fathom a life without this supreme care taker. Don't talk to me about weak and powerless when you rely on a make-believe 'brother', as you put it, to get you through life. |
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Post by joelhaldeman on Feb 25, 2004 21:42:29 GMT -5
i appreciate the effort Manic Street Preacher but you did nothing but fuel his steriotype of christians. If you are as your name implys, a street preacher, no one is ever going to listen to you because you are calling them "Weak and powerless". Please please be practical, be passionate about your faith but dont say irrational things.
I assure you if you continue to say things like that then you will be torn apart in this forum.
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Feb 28, 2004 0:36:42 GMT -5
I love God. Cooliohn if your so big and bad why don't you stop praying to God? God created you and everything you know. He can easily just destroy it all. Your just weak and powerless when it comes to my brother, God. if that wasn't a joke, it should have been. |
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Post by CrotchKickSteve on Feb 28, 2004 1:37:21 GMT -5
if that wasn't a joke, it should have been. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wow, thats all I have to say, its WOW |
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Post by swankshoez on May 13, 2004 20:36:46 GMT -5
Colliohn..... if God is just something we made up. Why are you here? It is all just fake, right. It is what you have been preaching. So you are fighting against nothing, you might as well punch the air, right?
Oh wait.............. maybe your wrong *gasp* then what will you do?
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 13, 2004 23:20:09 GMT -5
sometimes, i think of "jesus freaks" as spammers. not all of them, just the missionary types. the kind of people that walk up to you on the street and act interested in you long enough to steer the conversation towards accepting jesus as our lord and saviour. the kind of people that are off trying to save the world's "heathens" by teaching them the "one true way".
religion is a good thing for many reasons, (and bad for many more), but it gets annoying when everybody thinks they're right and people who are different from them will burn in hell. it's especially annoying when it gets to the point where it seems like they're trying to cram it down your throat.
sometimes, it can be as pointless as punching air. but most of the time, it's an enlightening, if not entertaining, experience. for instance, up until a couple of weeks ago, i was not aware that some people still viewed the bible as literal truth.
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Post by Satori on May 14, 2004 7:27:25 GMT -5
just the missionary types I know what you mean. Inviting someone to discuss Christianity is one thing, but charging off abroad to frighten vulnerable and less-globally-aware people into ones religion just because one thinks it's right is out of order in my opinion. |
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 14, 2004 10:20:44 GMT -5
heheh....the funniest example i can think of was when a bunch of baptists went down to salt lake city to try to convert all the mormons.
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Post by joelhaldeman on May 14, 2004 14:45:12 GMT -5
i think its sick how those people care for others, how dare they try and share the love of God with other!
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 14, 2004 14:59:45 GMT -5
there's a difference between sharing and imposing.
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