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Post by Scot on Dec 31, 2003 22:30:18 GMT -5
I was wondering what everyone thinks of this issue. In my opinion, meetings of Christian organizations in government buildings are okay. I'm not being pressured into it so there's no problem with it, as long as the meetings are not during regular hours. And as far as advertising Church events/meetings goes, I think they are alright as long as they don't have things like "God loves you" on them. All feedback welcome.  |
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Post by ajmizu on Jan 1, 2004 0:09:27 GMT -5
For this reply, forget I'm a Christian... well, kind of. The separation of the Church and state was brought up by the Christians, I believe because they didn't want to have the church corrupted. But I'm not sure.
I do think that Christians meeting in a government building or what not is okay. The other religious groups are also allowed to, so everything is fair.
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Jan 1, 2004 3:10:46 GMT -5
only okay if it is outside of regular hours, like a school, couldnt be untill after 301 or before 750.
I would also go ape if I caught some group or person handing out christian pamplets or something of that nature, you can bet a nice cute little lawsuit would follow.
As for the whole "but you arent forced into coming" arguement.
worth nothing, because as I have mentioned SEVERAL times before..
A christian advertising in a public school or area for their christian get together is EXACTLY, EXACTLY the same as a racist doing the same actions for a KKK rally and telling non-racists who are enraged that they arent forced into coming.
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Post by PaganPriest on Jan 1, 2004 18:47:40 GMT -5
For this reply, forget I'm a Christian... well, kind of. The separation of the Church and state was brought up by the Christians, I believe because they didn't want to have the church corrupted. You do know that at the time of the establisment of the constitution, the majority, and by major i mean like 90% of all "important" people, were Christians. so yeah it would have been orginated by Christians. |
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 1, 2004 22:08:00 GMT -5
only okay if it is outside of regular hours, like a school, couldnt be untill after 301 or before 750. I would also go ape if I caught some group or person handing out christian pamplets or something of that nature, you can bet a nice cute little lawsuit would follow. As for the whole "but you arent forced into coming" arguement. worth nothing, because as I have mentioned SEVERAL times before.. A christian advertising in a public school or area for their christian get together is EXACTLY, EXACTLY the same as a racist doing the same actions for a KKK rally and telling non-racists who are enraged that they arent forced into coming. We are allowed by law to hand out pamphlets, go ape all you want, were going to try to. So i guess you would have a problem with a bunch of christians sitting together at lunch and reading the bible? Are we allowed to sit together and talk about God? How about sit together and pray? Are we allowed to mentions Gods name in class when we have free time? What if a christian friend sits behind me in one of my classes and when we have free time we read the bible? Now johnny i know i have seen you discussing the bible in Soc after class which happend to be between 7:50 and 3:01 Where do you draw the line. The difference between us advertising and a kkk meeting advertising is that we dont teach its okay to kill people. We teach love. Now john i knwo you were in the sam Soc class as me when mr boyer was saying if it disrupts learning or if it is aginst the law then it is not allwoed in the school. Just like the case of the practicing witch who had that thing around her neck. She was expleled because her religion encouraged things that were not allwed by law and she refused to remove the necklace. |
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Post by Scot on Jan 1, 2004 23:36:43 GMT -5
It really does not sound bad to me. You can all do as you choose, just don't pressure others who don't come to join you in it. However, since I know the bible encourages you to 'save' non-believers, I know practicing things like that during school really shouldn't be allowed. I don't like the idea of others being pressured into things like that. But as long as there is no pressure, I can't say I have a problem with it. Read the bible in school, in your free time, just don't stand up and say "hey we're reading the bible, everyone come gather around." Hope what I said there made sense. |
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Post by ContentUnitShifter on Jan 2, 2004 1:24:21 GMT -5
....Just like the case of the practicing witch who had that thing around her neck. She was expleled because her religion encouraged things that were not allwed by law and she refused to remove the necklace. Woah, woah, woah.... Would you mind explaining that to me? Where did this take place, WHEN did it take place, why did they feel her necklace was innapropriate, and what WAS the necklace? |
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Post by ajmizu on Jan 2, 2004 19:11:57 GMT -5
You do know that at the time of the establisment of the constitution, the majority, and by major i mean like 90% of all "important" people, were Christians. so yeah it would have been orginated by Christians. This is true, but the separation of the Church and State was not instituted into the life of Americans until later. |
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Post by PaganPriest on Jan 2, 2004 19:54:35 GMT -5
This is true, but the separation of the Church and State was not instituted into the life of Americans until later. Partially true, only because the basis of the idea of separation of Church and State was formed when the constitution was formed. |
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 2, 2004 22:21:34 GMT -5
Woah, woah, woah.... Would you mind explaining that to me? Where did this take place, WHEN did it take place, why did they feel her necklace was innapropriate, and what WAS the necklace? I do not know the specifics im sorry but if you really want to know about this ask mr boyer, or maybe even john hes in my soc class maybe he remembers. |
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Jan 3, 2004 4:26:05 GMT -5
We are allowed by law to hand out pamphlets, go ape all you want, were going to try to. So i guess you would have a problem with a bunch of christians sitting together at lunch and reading the bible? Are we allowed to sit together and talk about God? How about sit together and pray? Are we allowed to mentions Gods name in class when we have free time? What if a christian friend sits behind me in one of my classes and when we have free time we read the bible? Now johnny i know i have seen you discussing the bible in Soc after class which happend to be between 7:50 and 3:01 Where do you draw the line. The difference between us advertising and a kkk meeting advertising is that we dont teach its okay to kill people. We teach love. Now john i knwo you were in the sam Soc class as me when mr boyer was saying if it disrupts learning or if it is aginst the law then it is not allwoed in the school. Just like the case of the practicing witch who had that thing around her neck. She was expleled because her religion encouraged things that were not allwed by law and she refused to remove the necklace. WHEN and WHERE are you handing out these pamplets? If it is within school hours expect a lawsuit. If you think Im bluffing, well, thats a damn shame. I refuse to let you spread your sickness illegally. As for all that shit you assumed I'd have a problem with, no, I dont at all, Do that all you want, I - do - not - give - a - damn. Its when you pass out shit, put up posters etc. that I draw the line, The law draws the line. As for KKK - christian differences, no. Christianity is like a poser to teachings of love. Not only that, your god and ultimate rolemodel not only had people killed for their beliefs in the old testament, but destroyed entire cities, and codemns billions to HELL. Your god's character that is. Christianity's claim to teaching love is completely false. It teaches "this is my way, believe or be mutilated out of love" As for the wiccan girl, you are DEAD wrong. Since fucking WHEN do wiccans practice things that are illegal?? And tell me please what these things are? You don't know, i guarantee it. If you come here with information its because you read this post and went and looked it up. The story is a girl was wearing a necklace with a wiccan symbol of some sort on it in a public school, her teacher had her suspended. The next two days I believe that teacher was sick and did not go to school. Upon the girl's return to school after her suspension was finished she was called into the office and the administrators asked her if she had cast a spell on the teacher and made him sick. ... let that sink in. ... wow. Now I do not remember down to the very last detail of whether or not the teacher had her expelled because of his own beliefs, but I THINK that I read of that being part of it, i am going to go back and read the article again. By the way, the ACLU sued and the school lost. |
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