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Post by Areopagite on Jun 1, 2004 19:41:58 GMT -5
jk, Satori mentioned the religious roots of Buddhism, which is valid. In the same way, Christianity has roots in Judaism. I did not think that Christ was before Buddhism in time since Buddha walked on the earth about 500 years before Christ did.
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Post by DeliveUSToDeth on Sept 23, 2004 15:33:10 GMT -5
im not going to read through all of these so if this is a repeat im sorry, but anyways what id like to say is if the reason people were living was for a god, whats so special about seeing god or going to heaven?
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Post by joelhaldeman on Sept 23, 2004 19:14:45 GMT -5
Because what could be better then living with the great omnipotent awesome God in a perfect land forever
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Post by FollowTheReaper on Sept 24, 2004 10:38:48 GMT -5
AH, the mighty return of the mindset message board. I think I will pose a question for once. I was watching a religious debate on television a couple of nights ago and the subject of morality came up. The Christians were saying that humans wouldn't have morals and would not know right from wrong if God did not exist. This notion sounded ridiculous to me but they seemed convinced of it. Seeing and evolution is 99% proven fact, the atheists and agnostics were arguing that simple evolution and human experience causes people to naturally know what is right and what is wrong, therefore not needing any God to guide you through moral decisions in life.
My question is, what do all of you believe? It would help if you state what religion you are and what your thought on the existence of God are in your response.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Sept 24, 2004 13:43:06 GMT -5
just so i am clear, you did just say that evolution is 99% fact, correct?
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Post by FollowTheReaper on Sept 25, 2004 0:26:13 GMT -5
Actually, I believe it is 100% fact but I didn't want to completely piss off the Christians by saying so. Please don't say you dont believe in evolution because that really makes you sound very unintelligent. When I think of someone who doesn't believe in evolution, I think of an uneducated inbred hick from the deep sound like George W. Bush.
But anyway, to answer your question, yes, I did say its 99% proven. What point are you trying to get at?
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Post by MTDonaghy on Dec 19, 2004 16:10:10 GMT -5
Even if one were to concede that evolution is only a theory, it is still a theory with more scientific proof than creationism.
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Post by Satori on Dec 19, 2004 16:36:20 GMT -5
Even if one were to concede that evolution is only a theory, it is still a theory with more scientific proof than creationism. Hmm, if there's one thing I've learnt about the hardcore Christian (and likely Creationist believer), it's that scientific proof counts for very little! They have a right to believe what they choose of course, but it makes progressive discussion very difficult when the initial standpoints are so diametrically opposed. Mind you, I don't necessarily think that science is always the keeper of 100% truth itself at any given time but, to its credit, it is prepared to change in the light of new evidence a bit more readily than religion. We may yet find that Creationism is correct (although personally I doubt it) - science has been turned on its head a few times throughout history. I think, though, in the light of sufficient evidence, the scientific community would accept that, whereas I think it's unlikely that any staunch Creationist would accept evolution regardless of any 'scientific evidence' presented to them.
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Post by Areopagite on Dec 20, 2004 0:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by Satori on Dec 20, 2004 4:02:06 GMT -5
Interesting article, although he seems ignorant of such things as cosmological probabilities. It's a sort of 'Anthropic Principle' argument: God must exist because we're here to believe in Him. I think there's an element of truth in that, although not for the reasons he said. The trouble from my philosophical perspective is the 'belief' aspect of it. It's a form of 'clinging'; an attachment to ideas; an expression of duality; a suggestion of permanence. All those things that prevent enlightenment. At the deepest level if God exists, He exists and that's fine. If He doesn't, He doesn't and that's fine too.
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