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Post by joelhaldeman on May 29, 2004 9:16:30 GMT -5
look sanmiguel98, there goes the point The point is that the situation disagrees with my opinionm of what is right. To me, the government making me kill iraqis would be the same as the government making you kill out of terrorism. Im comparing the 2 because you cant seem to understand that there are people who believe killing is wrong.
casualties from war in iraq to date: 10,000
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 29, 2004 14:33:20 GMT -5
the government isn't making anybody join the military to kill people. i have never killed a terrorist before, and the government never forced me to. the purpose of being armed in iraq is self-defense, and whether or not you pull the trigger in response is entirely up to you.
but like i said before, the units you are thinking about are combat-arms units. infantry grunts, mp's, combat engineers, rangers, etcetera. the support arm is a much larger group, and only a small part of the army is in iraq. being a conscientious objector, you can end up working as mail clerk in japan, a dental assistant in texas, or a mechanic in germany. the locations and occupations are numerous, as our the military's missions.
just because you're a part of the military doesn't mean you support killing. that would be like believing all moslems support blowing up airplanes, or all black people support crime and violence. what i can't understand is how you can equate military service with nothing else besides killing.
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Post by joelhaldeman on May 31, 2004 10:40:15 GMT -5
why thats because youve never been drafted before
Wheather you are the one on the front line shooting, or the one putting fuel into the tank to shoot, or the one fixing the injured soldier so he can return to shooting, or the one pulling teeth so the soldiers can return to shooting, or the one fixing the airplane so it can return to dropping bombs, or the one handeling the mail to ensure important messages are sent between bases, you are still helping the war effort. Its more then just outting the bullet into someone, your doing the same thing by making the bullet or fixing the gun
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 31, 2004 13:08:46 GMT -5
why thats because youve never been drafted before how you enter the military service doesn't change what you do once you're in it. so how does being a medical assistant in seattle help kill people? patching up a 10-year old girl that fell off her bike is somehow causing people to fall dead on the other side of the world? or perhaps all the red-cross humanitarian food packets you might have to load onto c-17 cargo planes in missouri are all laden with poison. better yet, you could always be a chaplain's assistant. helping preachers get the word of god out to families in england would probably cause a whole bunch of machine guns to spontaneously go off and kill innocent civilians. that must be the "power of prayer" i hear so much about. and by the way, the military mail service is just an offshoot equivalent of the usps. all the important "war information" is sent through encrypted radio and satellite signals.
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Post by joelhaldeman on May 31, 2004 20:09:24 GMT -5
i think your missing the point here, you said If thbey implement the draft they will absolutly be making people join the military to kill people.
as for the other stuff, i was assuming you meant that those jobs were going to be used as apart of the military
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Post by sanmiguel98 on Jun 1, 2004 0:59:01 GMT -5
the military has thousand of bases all over the world, in places like belgium, iceland, and diego garcia. each base is a self-sustaining community, and contains everything you would find in an any small town. there are schools, churches, hospitals and other family services.
so hypothetically, let's say you are drafted and go into the medical corps. you're a brand spanking-new private in the army, and you sit around all day in a hospital in kansas pulling medical records in the pediatric wing. does that in any way support killing? in that case, has the military forced you to join the army to kill?
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Post by H-Zence on Jun 10, 2004 21:08:32 GMT -5
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jun 10, 2004 22:49:49 GMT -5
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