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Haiti
Mar 3, 2004 17:03:41 GMT -5
Post by desertfox on Mar 3, 2004 17:03:41 GMT -5
How much of a roll should the U.S. have in the termoil in Haiti, and do you believe that the U.S. forced former Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide from office?
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Haiti
Mar 3, 2004 21:23:15 GMT -5
Post by joelhaldeman on Mar 3, 2004 21:23:15 GMT -5
i believe as a world power it is the united states role to not only protect the 50 states but also to be very active in keeping peace in the rest of the world. Im not suggesting we send all our troops over there but there and starting a big war although i do think we should be proactive here
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Haiti
Mar 3, 2004 21:47:01 GMT -5
Post by Nostradanus on Mar 3, 2004 21:47:01 GMT -5
a lot of US cargo ships and other trade vessels run through the carribean, it would be wise of the United States to keep the region non-hostile to expedite these vessel's passage, for the sake of our economy, not to mention the well-being of the haitian people, who undoubtably are busy making their pathetic little rafts in an attempt to reach the US coast line, fleeing their crappy excuse for a nation.
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Fish
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Haiti
Mar 4, 2004 17:48:38 GMT -5
Post by Fish on Mar 4, 2004 17:48:38 GMT -5
I don't think any of them are going to try rafting here. Its a hard raft ride from Cuba, and Haiti's a lot farther out than that.
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Haiti
Mar 7, 2004 16:11:47 GMT -5
Post by Nostradanus on Mar 7, 2004 16:11:47 GMT -5
the coast guard would beg to differ, cause as soon as they heard about haiti they sent a ton of extra people to the florida coast to turn back refugees never underestimate the will of ugly carribean people..
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jk
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Haiti
Mar 8, 2004 8:25:00 GMT -5
Post by jk on Mar 8, 2004 8:25:00 GMT -5
Why are we interfering in the Haitian revolution? Oh yes some president thought himself all powerful and wrote up a little paper called the monroe docterine (probably spelled wrong) which says america gets to do whatever it wants in the western hemisphere to its own interest. America just likes to pick on countries that are trying to work out their own problems in the good old fashion way, violent overthrowing of government. We did it. France did it. China did it. Mexico did it. Panama, Columbia they all over threw the government. Haiti is working on its own problems. Hey i think bush should do a bay of pigs. That would be fun. Maybe we would get a new president that way.
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Haiti
Mar 8, 2004 9:17:03 GMT -5
Post by H-Zence on Mar 8, 2004 9:17:03 GMT -5
Funny you should mention Panama, seeing how the U.S. can be considered responsible for their revolution.
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jk
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Haiti
Mar 9, 2004 7:26:46 GMT -5
Post by jk on Mar 9, 2004 7:26:46 GMT -5
So true, I know i should have refrained but then again it was hard to come up with recent revolutions that the US hasnt had its bloody hands in. We all know that the US instigated the panimanian rebellion so that the US could get a better price on that piece of land going through it. A little thing that would be known as the panama cannal. I could say about Rowanda. They had a revolution. Cuba a neglected to mention it. India had a peaceful revolution. Sorry i know there were better choices.
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jk
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Haiti
Mar 9, 2004 14:19:50 GMT -5
Post by jk on Mar 9, 2004 14:19:50 GMT -5
I mean the most resent cuban revolution not the one where the US was trying to oust Spain out of its hemishpere
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Haiti
Mar 9, 2004 20:57:47 GMT -5
Post by Nostradanus on Mar 9, 2004 20:57:47 GMT -5
One of the greatest advantages the US has over other powers in the world is its location, we are surrounded by water and friendly countries, The monroe doctrine was inacted to prevent european powers from entering our little bubble of safty. and i feel it my duty to defend our sending of troops to haiti by stating it is not JUST the US interfering into other nations deals, its the UN too, the marines are just a part of a larger UN peacekeeping force, and another thing, no pictures have been taken of the interior of haiti as of yet, but reports say there were gunmen running around everywhere looting every store and house they could. This by no means is a US interference into a revolution. New York city alone has more police then all of haiti, they couldn't control it by themselves, they needed help. So quick are you guys to jump on stuff like this and take a giant, ignorant shit on it.
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Haiti
Mar 9, 2004 21:19:33 GMT -5
Post by joelhaldeman on Mar 9, 2004 21:19:33 GMT -5
it is pretty sick of our country to try and help poor countries in need
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Haiti
Mar 9, 2004 22:31:52 GMT -5
Post by jk on Mar 9, 2004 22:31:52 GMT -5
Oddly enough i think that you're correct in your sarcasm joel. How will someone ever make something of themself if they live off of the handouts of others, if they know that there will always be someone there to pick them up and carry them around when they fall. There is a difference between helping out and running the country for them. Also the countries around the US are only friendly because they are weak and are dependent on the US for handouts. If you were Peru and the US would give you "protection" from Europe so long as you did what the US wanted, what would you do?
The comment about there being more cops in new York doesnt mean anything. During the Black outs in the 70's there was crazy looting going on in new York and the police were pretty powerless to stop the majority of it. Okay that statement was kindof irrelevent but slightly pertinent. More cops dosent always mean better behaved people.
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Haiti
Mar 15, 2004 18:34:37 GMT -5
Post by desertfox on Mar 15, 2004 18:34:37 GMT -5
The Dominican Republic made a mistake by not trying to unify the Island of Hispanola. The Dominicans are much more prosperous than the Hatians, and mybe they could point the Hatians in the right way, though the Dominicans would probably just kill all the Hatians if they (DR) ever attempted to unify the island. Does Hatai have any real strategic value to the USA?
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Haiti
Mar 16, 2004 9:11:59 GMT -5
Post by joelhaldeman on Mar 16, 2004 9:11:59 GMT -5
Except we can help haiti make a secure nation of themselves as we are doing in iraq right now. We help them build their country back up and slowly end the help we are giving them. After a little while we are completly removed from Haiti and they are not dependant on our aid. This same principle is applyed every day when the bank gives out loans or when a family member is in need. When you go off to college are your parents going to say to you "Your on your own or else you will be ruined"? No they are going to help you become financially secure and then they will maybe ask you to pay them back for college or if they are kind they will pay for a portion of it themselves. Same thing goes for state grants.
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Haiti
Mar 17, 2004 18:48:01 GMT -5
Post by desertfox on Mar 17, 2004 18:48:01 GMT -5
Joel you must realize that the Hatian poeple are incapable of rational thought since it is something that they have never been exposed to. They know nothing about it and live in a turbulent world. You can't teach an old dog new tricks!
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