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Post by cypris69 on Apr 7, 2004 19:55:13 GMT -5
thats a matter of oppinion and how we were raised. trypically species do not eat their own kind but some times they do. i mean there was that guy over in germany who put an add out for a person to eat and some1 actually vollenteered and was eaten by this man and even on tape. its was a huge controversy there, i think u should look at it if nothing else b/c its interewsting world news. but neway back on topic we thing terrorism is very wrong b/c of how we were raised along with other things like public nudity but there are cultures who think terrorism is a great thing and if u do it u go to heaven and there are countries were all beaches are nude and a girl w/o a top on the streets is nothing big.
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Post by Colliohn on Apr 7, 2004 20:41:11 GMT -5
so why is it so wrong to eat other humans This goes to the sentient thing. We don't eat other humans because it would, at least for me personally, freak me out to know I was eating, for one, someone of my same species, and two, someone who was once sentient and that I could have held a conversation with. Plus, we are socialized to believe it is wrong. Some people think it's fine, there are tribes that are active canibals. |
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Post by Lynnet on Apr 7, 2004 21:51:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I actually saw an article about that German guy...pretty freaky.
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Post by cypris69 on Apr 7, 2004 22:00:42 GMT -5
good point about the canibly tribes, i didn't think of that one. but ya setting all of our personal feelings aside and lookign at what really goes on in the world its not hard to see how this goes on and is plosible
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Post by Kairillian on Jun 14, 2004 14:06:20 GMT -5
Whoa... when did this certain act of cannibalism happen?
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Post by Lynnet on Jun 14, 2004 20:37:03 GMT -5
The German guy? Early this year, I think it was. I found the article on Yahoo while looking for Current Events...but they don't have it there anymore.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 3, 2005 1:25:37 GMT -5
In my attempt to become 'a new kind of christian' -what I think is a person who has made up his mind on issues by what he feels is truely right and makes the most sense instead of what he was taught as a child in sunday school- I have been thinking a little bit about creation and evolution. I have been trying to challenge everything that I was taught when I was young and decifer what I believe is truth and what is not. It was defenetly pounded into my head that creation is truth and evolution is for the heathens and those who do not want to accept that there is a God. I am defenetly not as sure as I was on earlier posts in this thread and am starting to see myself believe in evolution a little bit more and more as time goes on. Its like I am traveling from one end on the creation/evolution continuum to the other-slowly. What I really want to ask is if any of you think that there can be a God and evolution still take place. Even more-can evolution take place and the account in Genesis still be accurate. I am somewhat familier with the day-age theory and have heard of some others but I just want to hear what you guys think about this. Above all I believe God is truth and I want to be able to reconcile what we have come to know as truth with God.
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Post by Satori on Jan 3, 2005 3:06:05 GMT -5
In my attempt to become 'a new kind of christian' -what I think is a person who has made up his mind on issues by what he feels is truely right and makes the most sense instead of what he was taught as a child in sunday school- I have been thinking a little bit about creation and evolution. I have been trying to challenge everything that I was taught when I was young and decifer what I believe is truth and what is not. It was defenetly pounded into my head that creation is truth and evolution is for the heathens and those who do not want to accept that there is a God. I am defenetly not as sure as I was on earlier posts in this thread and am starting to see myself believe in evolution a little bit more and more as time goes on. Its like I am traveling from one end on the creation/evolution continuum to the other-slowly. What I really want to ask is if any of you think that there can be a God and evolution still take place. Even more-can evolution take place and the account in Genesis still be accurate. I am somewhat familier with the day-age theory and have heard of some others but I just want to hear what you guys think about this. Above all I believe God is truth and I want to be able to reconcile what we have come to know as truth with God. To be perfectly honest Joel, I don't see evolution as a barrier to Christianity. Even the most devout of religious scholars would have reservations about the universe actually being created in seven days, and most reconcile that with some sort of 'day age' theory or see Genesis as more symbolic than literal. That's not to say that the Theory of Evolution is totally correct as it is, of course, but it's the best working model we have at the moment. Even if it is significantly inaccurate, it's most unlikely that a seven-day creationist model would replace it. |
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Post by cypris69 on Jan 3, 2005 11:12:20 GMT -5
look, i am a firm believer in evolution but there is nothing wrong w/ believing in evolution and being religious. in life we do make our own choices about what we believe and frankly i respect people who think for them self far more then those who have blind faith and are not willing to even hear the other side of the argument so i am happy to hear u say that. further more i suggest you read the short story called "inherit the wind" or w/e(as always i butcher spelling). is is a very good book and a quick read that really deals w/ just what you are talking about and even offers alternative views on how to look at the universe if you do believe in a god. anyway i give u props for admitting that too i am sure there are some ppl out there who would feel a bit ashamed after arguing for so long then changing their mind and would not want to admit it.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 4, 2005 23:31:13 GMT -5
I guess it is just begining to make more sense to me for God to create a universe that evolves over a long amount of time rather then just appearing in seven days. I believe that my God is a patient God and it is out of chacter for him to do something that massive in only seven days. Nature is so complex-there is absolutly nothing simple about it. This is the main reason I am begining to doubt the seven day theory. The story of the earth evolving from one central point is incredibly complex compaired to the Lord speaking and the earth existing. I think the only thing in the evolution equation that bothers me is the gap between man and other animals. Is it possible that God would allow the earth to evolve until it was ready for him to put man into the garden of eden? I couldnt imagine how God would determine when a souless ape becomes a man with a soul. I think man is too complex to have come from an animal. I guess there is errors in every theory amd every theory leaves room for God's power and creativity.
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Post by Satori on Jan 5, 2005 3:27:58 GMT -5
I think man is too complex to have come from an animal. Interesting. I think man is too complex not to have come from an animal. It would take lots of evolution to create something so complex. There is also the compelling fact that we share so much similar DNA with apes and chimps. Humans, for example, share more DNA with chimps and gorillas than chimps and gorillas do with orangs (their next nearest evolutionary relative). From a Christian perspective, God supposedly created Man in his own image, but he didn't say how he did that - why not via evolution? Maybe that was His tool of choice. |
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Post by cypris69 on Jan 10, 2005 5:47:44 GMT -5
i like the way u put that. i canLt say that i think the same but it is a very good way to look at the matter. but i also donLt agree that u can call apes or any animal soul less. i mean it is true that animals show emotions and feel just like we do, true it maybe more simple (or even more complex then we can imagin) but it is there.
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Post by Satori on Jan 10, 2005 9:42:26 GMT -5
i like the way u put that. i canLt say that i think the same but it is a very good way to look at the matter. but i also donLt agree that u can call apes or any animal soul less. i mean it is true that animals show emotions and feel just like we do, true it maybe more simple (or even more complex then we can imagin) but it is there. Well, personally, I'm not sure I believe humans have a soul either! Although I guess it depends what you call a 'soul'. If one is talking about a distinct, separate entity as opposed to what we'd call the 'body' (which includes the mind), then I'd have to say that I think we don't have such a thing. Having said that, energy is neither created nor destroyed, so what was a person in human form continues in some other way. Maybe some sort of 'awareness' continues. Or maybe that's my own ego just hoping it does! There is room in Buddhism for continued awareness after a fashion, but it's quite different to the Christian view of a soul. |
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Post by desertfox on Jan 10, 2005 18:43:25 GMT -5
A white man can not have soul!
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Post by cypris69 on Jan 11, 2005 5:20:18 GMT -5
i don´t personally know what to think of the whole soul idea, i don´t agree with it in the continued consious of a person though. what i more was trying to do was make a point that u cannot say humans have one and animals don´t that all creatures do show intelligence and emotion or awareness so u can´t just see them as lifeless beings here to feed and cloth us
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