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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Feb 18, 2004 21:33:52 GMT -5
Brian, the fact that we.. as you said consume 1/3 of the world's resources and represent only a fraction of the population is a massive problem in itself. Your telling us that we need to keep the less fortunate areas of the world down so that we can remain hands and feet above everyone else, but what kind of attitude is this? A selfish one... and to be honest, a typical American one.
Oh and by the way, with pieces of shit like bush running our country we won't get anywhere, but as I am sure most of you are aware, we have already developed alternative fuel sources that are capable of replacing oil and therefore becoming virtually infinite and solving a future issue of unthinkable proportions.
what has happened to these?
The large oil companies buy the patents and keep them from being used, motive? Of course, money.
oh and I mentioned bush because he cut the funding for reserach and development of these alternative fuels.. coincidentally bush has had strong ties with the oil industry, as has cheney.
Can you say Haliburton?
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Post by jk on Feb 18, 2004 22:57:03 GMT -5
Lynnet is a prime example of liberalism in America. If it was up to her the United States would be under U.N. control and be taking orders from Belgium. Lynnet fails to realize that the United States is the 21st century equivalent of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire shaped the known world as they saw fit and crushed all that opposed them, but they also bettered the lives of many under Roman rule. The United States needs to wake up and realize that we don't need to aplease small insignificant countries like France, or all of Europe for that matter. Might is right and the will of the United States SHOULD be the law of the land. Might is right and we have the might, and it is time to use it!!!!! Take all that i say in a cool none offensive tone. (maybe a little patronizing). First off what is wrong with Belguim. When was the last time you heard anyone talking about those damn belgiums, cause i havent ever. Maybe belguim has something that it could teach us to better improve our nations, but supercilious america doesnt want to listen to belgium because it's small and insignificant. Secondly "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" The roman empire was great but all good things must come to an end. The Roman empire underestimated its opponents. Its opponents were small feudal tribes. They picked away at Rome bit by bit until it fell. Have you forgoten that Rome fell? All things come in cycles. They rise and they fall. The british empire crumbled, they surely never gave up on thier dream of conquering, but their colonies didnt want to be colonized. Oppressed people dont like to be oppressed and they can only take so much. America started out as an oppressed nation. Americans didnt want to follow other people's rules so they revolted. The world that you invission (spelled really wrong) wont want to play by the United States' rules for too long before it revolts. Then the US will lie crippled waiting for others to pick it apart. Do i forget that we have enough nuclear weopons to destroy the world 100 times over? No, but what are the chances that we'll start dropping bombs on people without them returning the curtacy(sp?) Im sure a pissed off starving Russia will be willing to sell acouple bombs to destroy someone that oppresses them.
Saddly enough collin that is not the case. Chances are that Kerry is going to be the democratic candidate for the upcoming election. Between Kerry and Bush, Bush is probably going to win for the whole getting america through 9/11 and the capture of saddam. If Bush is elected it is almost certain that he is going to get to appoint 3 people to the supreme ct. He's going to appoint conservatives. There are only 9 people in the supreme ct i believ 5 of wich are conservative already. What ever it is if bush gets elected the supreme ct is going crazy conservative which means the nations laws are going to be interpreted crazy conservatively. You can just say goodbye to freedom now
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Post by Colliohn on Feb 18, 2004 23:07:12 GMT -5
Well, desperate times call for desperate measures... that's all I'll say. (the impilcations are boundless)
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Post by desertfox on Feb 19, 2004 21:52:48 GMT -5
We can learn from the mistakes from fallen empires like the Romans and the British. The U.S. did make a huge mistake by not keeping a monopoly on Nuclear weapons, but we can't change the past. When Bush's proposed missile defense program becomes operational we will no longer need to aplease countries like China and N. Korea.
All civilizations come to an end one way or another, but why not make ours the best in all history? The only way we can bring others into first world status is to dramatically reduce the world population becuase in order to obtain first world status you must consum vast amounts of resources. Until then we must work to insure that there are enough resources for our country. We are in the fight of our survival, and even if that seems selfish to some (liberals) the alternative is vastly worse.
P.S. if you don't like America you can always move to France, Germany, or Canada (the 51st state)
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Post by desertfox on Feb 19, 2004 21:55:58 GMT -5
As for the fuel cell that John was talking about it is still in the developmental stage, and converting machines from gasoline (liquid) to Hydrogen (gas) is no easy feat. Also in order to obtain Hydrogen you have to split water (H20). Where are we going to get the power to do that?
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Post by joelhaldeman on Feb 19, 2004 22:24:02 GMT -5
actually im not so sure i can
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Feb 19, 2004 22:40:29 GMT -5
We can learn from the mistakes from fallen empires like the Romans and the British. The U.S. did make a huge mistake by not keeping a monopoly on Nuclear weapons, but we can't change the past. When Bush's proposed missile defense program becomes operational we will no longer need to aplease countries like China and N. Korea. All civilizations come to an end one way or another, but why not make ours the best in all history? The only way we can bring others into first world status is to dramatically reduce the world population becuase in order to obtain first world status you must consum vast amounts of resources. Until then we must work to insure that there are enough resources for our country. We are in the fight of our survival, and even if that seems selfish to some (liberals) the alternative is vastly worse. P.S. if you don't like America you can always move to France, Germany, or Canada (the 51st state) oh wow. appease countries like n.korea and china? hows for actually giving a damn about them? oh but you know, I forgot if you aren't part of the US of A you don't exist, nor matter. as for conservatives in the supreme court, that means abortion will most likely be gone, and most church state separation cases will either get tossed or be heavily one sided because people can't seem to stop letting their delusions impact their judgement on laws. laws... you know those things that are supposed to be devoid of religious influence.
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Feb 19, 2004 22:42:14 GMT -5
oh and might I add that the little 'if you dont like it get out' comment you made has got to be the most repeated, and stupidest line I've ever heard an american use.
God damn people, kick the tunnel vision, its a shitty way to live.
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Post by Colliohn on Feb 20, 2004 0:48:27 GMT -5
Like it or leave it? yes, that is a shitty line.
Democracy people. Free speech.
We are allowed to insult this country all we want, and still live here, and still love the country. Just because we find fault doesn't mean we don't like the country.
Oh, and for you conservatives out there... the founding fathers not only gave us the right, but the duty and the responsibility to question our leadership.
The leadership are us, elected by us, and for us. (Government of the people, by the people, and for the people)
Bush is nothing more than a glorified civil servant; sadly, I don't think he even knows this. We elected Bush, we pay his salary, and in turn he does what the majority of us want (or is supposed to... again, he doesn't probably even know how this works).
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Post by Colliohn on Feb 20, 2004 0:50:45 GMT -5
As for the fuel cell that John was talking about it is still in the developmental stage, and converting machines from gasoline (liquid) to Hydrogen (gas) is no easy feat. Also in order to obtain Hydrogen you have to split water (H20). Where are we going to get the power to do that? Um... I don't know where you got your info, but there are viable fuel cell power sources right now. All they are working on for the cars is making the fuel cell itself a few inches thinner. That's all. They have one right now, but it is a little too thick for the type of car they wish to put it in.
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Post by desertfox on Mar 2, 2004 17:17:07 GMT -5
Backstabbing one's country is not was freedom of speech is all about!!!
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Post by Fish on Mar 2, 2004 18:50:40 GMT -5
We elected Bush, we pay his salary, and in turn he does what the majority of us want (or is supposed to... again, he doesn't probably even know how this works). OK, maybe you'll disagree with me on this, and maybe I am loyal to a fault. But growing up in an atmosphere around team sports you learn that nobody is trying to screw up. Some games you may disagree with the coach, and even though you could, you don't go behind his back and bash him. I think that the same can go for President Bush. Even though sometimes he can appear to be an uneducated jackass, I dont think even Al Gore would say that he thinks President Bush is trying to hurt America.
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Post by desertfox on Mar 3, 2004 16:14:48 GMT -5
actually Al Gore said that president Bush betrayed the people and the country!!
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Post by Nostradanus on Mar 3, 2004 17:51:05 GMT -5
im sure steve is moments away from telling us that this belongs in the political debate forum...anywho
I was sitting here reading this thread, meanwhile i was simultaneously stabbing myself in the ear with a spoon...why you ask, because if im ever going to go through so much pain and agony, im going to do it to myself god damnit, not because i read some completely ridiculous bullshit...
FIRST OFF, you don't get to be govener of a state, let alone, president of all of them, if your a dumbass, regardless of how stupid bush may seem at times, im sure hes smarter than most of the people on this website, just because you've got a highschool education and a shitload of what you consider "intelligent beliefs" does not make you smart...after all, you are pointlessly arguing matters which will never be resolved on this site(yes, I myself am included in the group of people who I denouce) I have the balls to admit that i am wrong sometimes, and could be wrong about this very statement.
Secondly, You have crazy liberals arguing against a hardcore conservative, you should realize before you even type a single letter that you are never going to agree on anything and you should probably go stick a spoon in your ear before you get too frustrated.
okay im done bitching, now for my view
I myself am pretty conservative...I however am very liberal when it comes to certain things...Putting yourself in a category and regurgitating everything that group usually says is only limiting yourself, so i prefer not to put myself in such a stupid category..and we've been over the oil thing before, this is what you call a consumer based economy, in which money and people willing to spend it rule over everything else, including morals and ethics. and im sorry, but if you don't like it, your kinda stuck with it unless you move out of the country to some place like saudi arabia. your ability to sit there and read this means you have a computer, and internet access, which says you have enough money to buy a computer, which means you actually have some amount of money, and this money you have is a direct result of the prosperity of capitalism. It just so happens that because of this prosperity, we have a lot of problems, like corporate curruption plus and endless list of other problems, and people like the president, whom it may seem at times makes decisions based upon his backround in oil. This is what we call reality, and if you don't like this reality, then i would call you reasonable. But if you just think you can get rid of it all by changing the president, i'd call you a communist.
America is one of the oldest continuous nations in the world, our country is over 200 years old, using the same principles upon which we were founded. The times are ever changing, but the complaints are not, they just pop up in new places. you are not the first to bicker about these topics I assure you, and i can also assure that you will not be the last.
And one last thing, The supreme court, liberal or conservative, it matters not, they will still uphold the constitution to the best of their ability. Sure there are differences in the way they will go on certain things, but the supreme court justices are not your average conservatives/liberals, they believe in the whole over the parts, as we all should.
P.S. - desert fox....shut the fuck up
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Post by desertfox on Mar 15, 2004 18:57:05 GMT -5
Nostradanus, strangly enough we agree with more things than we disagree on, asshole
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