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Post by Colliohn on Jan 14, 2004 16:39:33 GMT -5
India != Middle East I like the theory, though, that some European chick had a family in the Middle East and went to have her kid there for some odd reason. (You just have to pretend there wasn't anything about a manger or something, and this theory isn't total BS... Oh, wait, it is still BS. But it's humorous )
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Post by WaffleHouse on Jan 14, 2004 16:51:44 GMT -5
yeah plus I just found out Aryans came out of Russia
now there's a sight, Russian Jesus I think he look like Zangief from Street Fighter
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Post by Nostradanus on Jan 24, 2004 14:27:01 GMT -5
india = south asia duh
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Post by CrotchKickSteve on Jan 24, 2004 16:44:11 GMT -5
^Jesus
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Post by ajmizu on Jan 25, 2004 18:03:56 GMT -5
That offends me and I'm sure that it would offend any Muslim that came and saw this site. Jesus wasn't evil... He was full of goodness, mercy and grace. He loves people. He didn't kill people to make sure He could get to "Paradise."
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Post by Scot on Jan 25, 2004 18:26:10 GMT -5
Maybe Jesus wasn't evil but he easily could have looked exactly like that. (maybe younger, though)
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Post by CrotchKickSteve on Jan 25, 2004 23:13:54 GMT -5
O Jesus Christ its a joke but i just had to find a picture of a Middle Eastern man and he was perfect... o ya and It isnt supposed to offend you its a friggin joke.
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Post by Nostradanus on Jan 25, 2004 23:22:26 GMT -5
"please don't take pot-shots at my saviour, it hurts his feelings "
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Jan 28, 2004 23:47:57 GMT -5
That offends me and I'm sure that it would offend any Muslim that came and saw this site. Jesus wasn't evil... He was full of goodness, mercy and grace. He loves people. He didn't kill people to make sure He could get to "Paradise." Saying that anything that belittles christ offends you is EXACTLY the same as an atheist complaining that anything good you say about christ offends him, as well as being EXACTLY the same as a satanist telling you that anything bad you say about satan offends him. IMO, your god character was much, much, much, much, much closer to evil that anything relating to goodness, mercy, and grace. Actually fuck the sugarcoating, your god character IS indeed evil, by my standards, and hopefully by other human's standards. Consider his actions, soddam and gommorah, anyone who doesnt believe in him goes to hell, spreading judgement, allowing original sin behind the FALSE excuse of free will, allowing all pain and suffering caused by human flaw that which he instilled in us, all of the commanded stoning of heretics and so on. (for those that dont know, a heretic is someone who holds unpopular opinions, especially those against the church, which in other words means, if I, or any other atheist/agnostic were to exist around the time the fairytale old testament was written we would be stoned to death as a direct result of god's command) Ridiculous. oh and on one more note, if my swearing offends you, well thats honsetly a shame, I refuse to edit my language when trying to intensify my points so that other people who are socialized to look down on it can somehow gain an ounce of happiness from the fact that I stopped. (Paul, this is NOT directed at you, its not even related.)
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 29, 2004 21:15:55 GMT -5
He gave us a choice. He said, sin and go to hell or dont sin and live in paradise. Adam choose to sin. The whole world is now sinfull. You sin. I sin. We all sin. God thinks 'well i dont want to send everyone to hell because im a nice guy'. So god says Ill give them a choice. People choose to go to hell. God punishes them. God is evil.
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Post by Nostradanus on Jan 29, 2004 22:48:57 GMT -5
having free will somewhat contradicts god as an all powerful being, because if you truely are all powerful, than it would be impossible for free will to contradict what you have already decided to happen. Therefore your choice was already known by god, making it not much of a choice at all..I don't neccessarily believe the same thing, but i know what john thinks, and he thinks that god knows who goes to hell and who does not before they even have a chance for "free will", therefore condemning people to hell before hand, which he sees as evil
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Post by Lynnet on Jan 30, 2004 22:43:48 GMT -5
The whole concept of original sin condemning everyone really irks me, because it's really *not* our choice. It was Adam's choice, and Eve's if you want to blame it on her, for listening to that curiously vocal snake...But anyway, one would think that if any human had the option of living in eternal paradise s/he would take it, especially if the rules were so lax as they were in Eden..."Just don't eat fruit from the 'special' tree, cause you'll have to leave then!" The story of original sin is about the boundaries of human nature: if we're told not to do something, we'll get as close to doing it as possible usually, and maybe even openly defy what we're told not to do. It's undeniable (in my view, anyway) that humans can't handle for the most part such a simple thing as playing by the rules. So it's either all Adam's fault for not rising above his minute level of human nature and making the more enlightened decision to not eat the fruit (which if it had done what it was supposed to would have given him the wisdom to not eat it in the first place...heh, what a paradox)...or it could be God's fault for giving him a nature, which, when presented with such a choice, would almost always go for the worse of the two options, to defy the rule. I guess a major question in the realm of the choice in Eden is, would we be better off ignorant of this life and the trials it brings, but blissfully happy? Or should we really be here suffering for some sort of meaning? In the words of Cypher, "Ignorance is bliss," but as Trinity argues, "The Matrix isn't real, Cypher!" But then, "What is real?" For what are we really here? (Read: What are we really here for? for those of you normal people who don't avoid preps at the end of sentences ) But as the Oracle says in Reloaded (Horrid movie yet some great philosophical substance "You've already made the choice. Now you have to understand why." (Anywho, enough of my fanatical ranting )
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Jan 31, 2004 22:45:48 GMT -5
So god says Ill give them a choice. People choose to go to hell. God punishes them. God is evil. ? well you ended with a question mark, so first: yes, the character of your god is indeed an evil one. God gives no such choice, free will is a mirage when believing in christianity. This is due to what dan explained, and I really don't know if he had come to that conclusion himself or had heard me rant about it because his words are very close to mine when explaining the situation. So read his post. The entire original sin, adam and eve, none of it makes sense. What it does indeed sound like is a story, a fictional story. Honestly, A group of people could get together, write an amazing story of which most of the plot occurs in say the city of new york, put it together very carefully, print it, spread it about, and send emails around discussing the characters and their actions. Including in this story would also be happenings in specific buildings and such. then in 2000 years people will be claiming the fact that new york used to exist is proof of the religious writing's validity, and to further their arguement would point to printed out emails discussing the characters and their actions and claiming those as proof. ( I.E. letters between churches and such) On a side note, everything to do with jeruselem and such is questionable to say the least. There are geographical problems as well as hilarious fuck-ups by the bible's writers when concerning some actions that involve travel.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 31, 2004 23:36:30 GMT -5
Depending on what you are refering to with the choice you got i would disagree. If you are saying that you dont have a choice as to be condemed or not then your wrong you have a choice. Now you can guys can do one of 2 things. You can stop complaining about the fact that adam sinned and just play the cards your are delt. OR you could stop complainging and realize "hey im in this situation i better deal what i got" If adam had not sinned, the next guy would have. If no one would have sinned up to this day it would have been me. Think about it. The tree of knowledge of good and evil. Who doesnt want knowledge. I want knowledge. No doubt you guys do to. So if it wouldnt have been adam it would have surley been the next guy.
I suppose thats a theory but you cant really prove it. God can be all powerfull and give you a choice. Everything is within his control and he will not allow it to go past a certain extent. No you do not have complete free will, this is absolutly obviouse. But you have every choice right now as to what to do where your sitting.
i guess your right but could they put in prophrecy. I have given this chellenge a few times now and i have still not gotten a response from someone with another book that has more prophecy in it then the bible. Should i assume that everyone just doesnt read this sentence everytime i type it or what?
If you would like to explian what does not make sence about it i would love to hear but i think it is a pretty streight forward story. Maybe the reason it sounds so much like a fairy tale is because you have been born into a christian nation and a lot of stories are based off of the bible.
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Post by Colliohn on Jan 31, 2004 23:55:54 GMT -5
i guess your right but could they put in prophrecy. I have given this chellenge a few times now and i have still not gotten a response from someone with another book that has more prophecy in it then the bible. Should i assume that everyone just doesnt read this sentence everytime i type it or what? This reminds me of when I kept referring to scientific stuff, but w/o explaining what I was referring to. If you could find all (what was it, 80 some prophecies?) that were fulfilled, then we might start listening more. Up to this point you have just been doing what you accused me of doing with evolution and such.
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