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Post by joelhaldeman on Nov 16, 2004 23:04:03 GMT -5
Speeding is breaking the law. Just about everyone has broken the speed limit and I have found that most people dont think its wrong to break it. -great example
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Post by desertfox on Nov 17, 2004 16:36:28 GMT -5
The government needs to inforce the laws already on the books, and stop making new ones!!
A law is useless unless it is enforced. Illegal immigration is a good example of an uninforced law.
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Post by bobarian on Nov 17, 2004 21:42:00 GMT -5
Joel, what I meant to say is that why should we ever obey a law if people don't obey it in general? (like prostitution for example. Prostitution must be legalized since everyone does it. Hmmm. Child abuse is epidemic too... You get my drift.)
In fact, a lot of people do music and video piracy too...
Where do you draw the line, amigo?
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Post by joelhaldeman on Nov 18, 2004 0:18:53 GMT -5
Im not saying these things should be mad legal, im saying the government needs to convince the people that these things are wrong otherwise people will not obey the law. Im not saying any laws should be reversed. My point about abortion is that if they were to make a law outlawing it at this point, it would not do a whole lot because half of america believes it should be allowed.
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Post by bobarian on Nov 18, 2004 14:10:45 GMT -5
So your argument is irrelevant on the one hand (people have to obey the law anyway) and non-unique on the other (of course the government tries to get people to obey its laws. That is nothing new.) To say that we should only have laws which should be enforced contradicts the essence of a law - to stop people from doing wrong. If people are not doing wrong, then there wouldn't be any point in having a law. If people didn't do abortion, then there would be no point in having a law about it. So if we're going to stop abortion, the most logical course is to start with a law - which will lay the groundwork for changing people's minds.
I wonder if in ancient Israel God would have looked to kindly on the Israelite kings who didn't want to stop idol worship because it was simply unenforcable...
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Post by joelhaldeman on Nov 25, 2004 0:04:23 GMT -5
we have lots of laws that the majority of america thinks is wrong and doesnt break. Thats no reason to remove the law.
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Post by bobarian on Dec 2, 2004 13:58:54 GMT -5
Joel, that is patently false. The government only makes laws if there is a need to make the law - even the most ridiculous or outlandish laws had a reason originally. What is that reason? To change people's behavior. Not all people's behavior - only those who offend. Thus it is the government's right and necessity to legislate that which creates a society that is just. Thus civil rights laws are necessary because they lead to justice for african americans - even so, anti-abortion laws are necessary for justice for the unborn.
At one time people believed African Americans were genetically inferior to the Anglo-saxon "race." Now people believe that a human being that is 9 months old and outside a mother's womb is worth far more than one that is 6 months old and inside a mother's womb. I don't see how the two acts of discrimination are any different - medically or morally.
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Post by H-Zence on Dec 2, 2004 14:47:53 GMT -5
You wanna know how it's different?
First of all, it's not discriminating. There is a fine line there. People aren't "killing your generation," as you'd probably put it, because they hate fetus'. There are much deeper reasons, which I won't bring up because I'm sure you already know them. Whether or not you agree with them is irrelevant.
Secondly, there is much debate about whether or not an unborn human is actually "alive." On one side, you have people saying that a fetus is not alive because the child's life begins the moment it EXITS the uterus. On the other side, you have people who believe that life begins at conception. What you believe is really up to you, as the argument is (and, in my opinion, will forever remain) unresolved. Therefore, classify it as murder if you'd like. That does not make it correct.
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Post by desertfox on Dec 2, 2004 19:22:25 GMT -5
YEAH!!! DYING FETUS!!!
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Post by desertfox on Dec 2, 2004 19:23:33 GMT -5
It is harsh that you equate the intellegence of a fetus with the intellegence of black poeple. If that isn't a racist comment then I don't know what is!
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