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Post by joelhaldeman on May 20, 2004 21:19:59 GMT -5
Talk of the draft has been increasing more and more as we come closer to the new election.
-The selective service program was given an extra $28 million in their budget this year, nearly doubling it.
-Only 44% of the troops in Iraq say they plan to re-enlist.
-Bush's war in Iraq is far from finished.
-Im not sure if anyone has check the news recently but if you have im sure you have noticed that terroristic activity has not decreased. Bush's war on terror is far from over.
Whats your opinion? Is Buch waiting for a second and final term as president to do something drastic?
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 20, 2004 21:59:15 GMT -5
in my personal opinion, everybody should do a little military service. serving the country helps to unite it, and deploying to iraq would open people's eyes to the plight experienced by the rest of the world.
patriotism is dying in the united states, and the only places i've seen wide-spread flag flying is around military communities and areas with military retirees. nowadays, being a patriot is associated with being a red-necked, country-music listening hick, and i think that's sad. after defending freedom, it's much more enjoyable to be living in it.
another of my opinions: people who avoid the draft are yellow-bellied mama's boys, and should consider moving to france.
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Post by H-Zence on May 20, 2004 22:21:40 GMT -5
And if these people honestly refuse to fight because it is against their morals, or they believe there are better ways to solve things than war? Are they still "yellow-bellied"?
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 20, 2004 22:38:01 GMT -5
you don't necessarily have to go into a combat-arms unit. be a paper-pusher, firefighter, x-ray technician, etc.
heheh...like the commercial says, there are 212 ways to be a soldier.
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 20, 2004 23:39:28 GMT -5
btw- one of the country's greatest heroes was a drafted conscientious objector. sgt alvin york. |
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Post by joelhaldeman on May 21, 2004 15:04:30 GMT -5
if i am drafted i will appeal for conscientious objector. of course its impossible to actually get so looks like ill be killin people or ill get killed. anyway killing is against my morals, you could say im pro life. Jesus said "You have heard it was said 'love your neighbor and hate your enemies' but i tell you 'love you enemies and pray for those who persecute you'" I cant agree with a "christian war" when jesus said this. I think Gandhi is highly under rated
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Post by jk on May 24, 2004 19:21:50 GMT -5
joel you could always start an openly gay relationship now so that when/if you are drafted many people could attest to your being gay. Then again any presidential candidate that says "if elected i will bring back the draft" is just asking for a landslide defeat. I believe that the chances of the draft being reinstituted are slim to none. There are too many people that will think back to vietnam and any polititian that votes for the draft will be commiting suicide for their career. It wont matter that iraq may never end the way that vietnam did, there is such distaste amongst the people for the word draft.
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on May 27, 2004 21:36:22 GMT -5
another of my opinions: people who avoid the draft are yellow-bellied mama's boys, and should consider moving to france. As opposed to a person who refuses to kill people/ and or die for something they don't believe in? I like your france comment, I mean hey, to hell with anyone who disagrees with our country! Your not allowed to do that to the United States! What has this country become? What has its population become? |
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on May 27, 2004 21:37:28 GMT -5
you don't necessarily have to go into a combat-arms unit. be a paper-pusher, firefighter, x-ray technician, etc. All of which still involve helping a war effort that you don't agree with, aiding in the killing of people for a cause or reason you don't believe exists. |
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 28, 2004 0:15:35 GMT -5
As opposed to a person who refuses to kill people/ and or die for something they don't believe in? I like your france comment, I mean hey, to hell with anyone who disagrees with our country! Your not allowed to do that to the United States! What has this country become? What has its population become? i could care less about how people feel about the draft itself, but if a draft is called and you break the law by hiding and running away, what do you call that? i call it being yellow. i personally don't see that big of a difference between a draft dodger and a deserter. if i have to go and fight because the law says i have to, i'd rather not have a big yellow chicken covering my back anyway. i want someone i can depend on. as far as france goes, they never fight wars anyway. i figure it would be welcome haven for people seeking asylum from the draft. |
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 28, 2004 0:31:25 GMT -5
All of which still involve helping a war effort that you don't agree with, aiding in the killing of people for a cause or reason you don't believe exists. iraq is a rebuilding effort. troops are there to help stabilize and protect the iraqi citizens & rebuilders. if we left now, we'd be abandoning the iraqis like we abandoned the kurds in 1991. we'd be disillusioning what people still believe in us, and emboldening those who stand against us. that idiot bush got us into this mess, and it's too late to back down now. Our only options now are to either finish the job, or to show the world we're not as tough as think we are. Doing the latter would only invite more attacks against us. |
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Post by joelhaldeman on May 28, 2004 21:03:49 GMT -5
i could care less about how people feel about the draft itself, but if a draft is called and you break the law by hiding and running away, what do you call that? i call it being yellow. i personally don't see that big of a difference between a draft dodger and a deserter. if i have to go and fight because the law says i have to, i'd rather not have a big yellow chicken covering my back anyway. i want someone i can depend on. Clearly your not much for being pro choice or pro-having personal beliefs. |
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Post by joelhaldeman on May 28, 2004 21:06:05 GMT -5
If President Bush decided to take over the world in such a way that hitler did it, and killed thounsands of inocent people and he implemented the draft, what would you do. Knowing that he is doing evil deeds and you get drafted to help take over the world and make slaves and whatever make up the situation yourself, would you just allow the country to force you to do their evil work.
Its the same situation for someone who believes killing is wrong just as you(hopefully) believe the above situation is wrong
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 29, 2004 3:16:35 GMT -5
Clearly your not much for being pro choice or pro-having personal beliefs. perhaps you misunderstood me. when i said i could care less about how people felt about the draft, i meant you could love it or hate it as much as you want. personally, i would definitely hate it. going out there once is enough for me. but if i am called up again, i will still go. calling draft dodgers "yellow" is a bit bland, considering i could have used much more colorful language. at any rate, i clearly stated this was my opinion. the u.s. government, however, has no opinions in the matter. if you are called up and fail to report, you'd be subject to a fine of up to $250,000, up to five years in prison, or both. |
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Post by sanmiguel98 on May 29, 2004 3:52:50 GMT -5
If President Bush decided to take over the world in such a way that hitler did it, and killed thounsands of inocent people and he implemented the draft, what would you do. Knowing that he is doing evil deeds and you get drafted to help take over the world and make slaves and whatever make up the situation yourself, would you just allow the country to force you to do their evil work. Its the same situation for someone who believes killing is wrong just as you(hopefully) believe the above situation is wrong if you're honestly trying to compare our current mission in iraq to any of those things, you have a horribly skewed vision of what we're doing out there. if your sole source of information is the news, you should've noticed by now that they only report the bad things. they don't mention all the schools that have been rebuilt by army engineers or the orphanages that were rebuilt by the navy seabees. you never hear about the bridges, powerplants, water facilities, food distribution, so on and so forth. the average iraqi citizen is glad that we are there. in case you weren't aware, there are more cities in iraq besides najaf & fallujah. www.rock103.com/warpics/ |
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