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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 3, 2004 4:13:43 GMT -5
FACT: radioactive decay of only uranium and thorium would produce all the atmosphere's helium in only 40,000 years. No known means exists by which large amounts of helium can escape from the atmosphere, even when considering heliums low atomic weight. The atmosphere appears to be young. Maybe the old earth just decided it needed a new atmosphere so it went to walmart and got a new one.
FACT: Abnormall high oil, gas and water pressure exist within relatively permeable rock. Of these fluids had been trapped more then 10,000 to 100,000 years ago, leakage would have dropped these pressures far below what they are today. this oil gas and water must have been trapped suddenly and recently.
FACT: Tose rock layers in the science text book have NEVER been found in that exact order, ANYWHERE on earth.
FACT: Volcanoes eject almost a cubic mile of material into the atmosphere each year. At this rate about ten times the volume of the entire sedementary rock should be produced in about 4.6 billion years. Actually only about 25% of of the earthjs sediments are of volcanic origin.
FACT: The continents are eroding at a rate that would level them in much less then 25 million years.
FACT: Over the past 140 years direct measurments of earths magnetic field show steady and rapid decline in strength. Travel back in time 20,000 years ago earths structure could not have survived the heat produced. This shows earth can not be older then 20,000 years.
FACT: Same is true about the temperature of the earths core.
FACT: A large amount of heat is flowing out of the moon from just below the surface and yet the moons interior is relativly cool. Because it has not yet colled off the moon seems much younger then mot poeple have guessed there is only 8 of an entire creation science book i have proving the earth to be young. There is a list of about a hundred in this section and many other sections on the flood and stuff like that
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Post by PaganPriest on Jan 3, 2004 11:27:48 GMT -5
FACT: radioactive decay of only uranium and thorium would produce all the atmosphere's helium in only 40,000 years. No known means exists by which large amounts of helium can escape from the atmosphere, even when considering heliums low atomic weight. The atmosphere appears to be young. Maybe the old earth just decided it needed a new atmosphere so it went to walmart and got a new one. FACT: Abnormall high oil, gas and water pressure exist within relatively permeable rock. Of these fluids had been trapped more then 10,000 to 100,000 years ago, leakage would have dropped these pressures far below what they are today. this oil gas and water must have been trapped suddenly and recently. FACT: Tose rock layers in the science text book have NEVER been found in that exact order, ANYWHERE on earth. FACT: Volcanoes eject almost a cubic mile of material into the atmosphere each year. At this rate about ten times the volume of the entire sedementary rock should be produced in about 4.6 billion years. Actually only about 25% of of the earthjs sediments are of volcanic origin. FACT: The continents are eroding at a rate that would level them in much less then 25 million years. FACT: Over the past 140 years direct measurments of earths magnetic field show steady and rapid decline in strength. Travel back in time 20,000 years ago earths structure could not have survived the heat produced. This shows earth can not be older then 20,000 years. FACT: Same is true about the temperature of the earths core. FACT: A large amount of heat is flowing out of the moon from just below the surface and yet the moons interior is relativly cool. Because it has not yet colled off the moon seems much younger then mot poeple have guessed there is only 8 of an entire creation science book i have proving the earth to be young. There is a list of about a hundred in this section and many other sections on the flood and stuff like that Boy oh boy did you ever get every single one of those points wrong joel. a) not a fact, radioactive decay of uranium does NOT produce helium. the helium found on earth is from the sun's original fusion (fission whichever one cause i cant ever remember). b) not a fact, most deposits are not in permeable rock, havent you ever been to texas to a oil well, they have to dig several miles into the ground through very very dense rock. c) albiet that they havent been found together, it's not at all hard to peice together layers of earth. d) There's a few things you have to learn about the evolution of the earth. over the first billion years or so the earth wasnt even a solid object. it was still very very hot magma. then the next three billion years come along, and EVERY SINGLE LAND MASS ON EARTH WAS CREATED BY VOLCANIC ACTIVITY. e) the continents may very well be being destructed at that rate, but only if you're talkin about continents all the size of AUSTRALIA. f) that is most certainly not true of the magnetic field, because when it flips axis, such as it will YET AGAIN, the fields gain strength not lose it. g) have you been to the earth's core? has anyone been to the earth's core? have we even been able to record anything about the earth's core directly? then how the hell will we be able to record the temperature constantly, and accurately? h) that is as far from the truth as can possibly be. the moon isnt giving of all that much heat. and it is cool enough to be at the stage that it is because it does not have a source to hold in the heat, as in an atmosphere. like i said before joel, there is no Creation science. there are no experiments in creation science, no scientifi theories, no laws. it is not a field.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 3, 2004 16:33:54 GMT -5
i can not answer all of thses but i am sure you can back up your answers. We can very easily measure the temperature of the earths core. Just because we have not been there does not mean we can not measure it. The magnetic field has been decreasing steadily over the past 140 years, go look it up. The moon is giving off heat and yes it is losing it because it has no atmosphere. You can go look it up but the moon does have heat, not a whole lot but there is heat and it is losing it. If every single land mass on earth was created by volcanoes then dont you think there would be a whole lot more sedementary rocks? maybe you missed that last line....."Actually only about 25% of of the earthjs sediments are of volcanic origin."
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Post by PaganPriest on Jan 3, 2004 17:05:40 GMT -5
If every single land mass on earth was created by volcanoes then dont you think there would be a whole lot more sedementary rocks? maybe you missed that last line....."Actually only about 25% of of the earthjs sediments are of volcanic origin." Joel, joel joel joel joel. Have you not taken any earth science classes EVER? Volcanoes do not produce sedementary rock. They produce Igneous rock. sedementary rock is formed by the combination of other rocks, that sedement to each other. And over billions of years most of the igneous rock has had time to form into metamorphic rock, and then that is turned into sedementary rock.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 4, 2004 21:07:56 GMT -5
If it takes BILLIONS of years for those rocks to change then where is the past billion years worth of rocks which have not undergone this supposed rock transformation
We had a discussion about dinosaurs and humans not possibly living together and i couldnt find the thread so were talking about it here. First of all you make it sound like all dinosaurs are giant man eating destructive freaks who roam around the earth devouring everything in its path. Jaurasic park was not real, they made that stuff up. The former soviet union reported more then 2000 dinosaur footprints alongside human footprints, how do you explain that. Did the mud which turned to rock turn back into mud 60 million years later(the supposed amount of time between man and dino) so a man could step in it and then turn back into rock? There have also been similar discoveries made in Arizona.
Because we see galaxies billions of light-years away, isnt the universe billions of years old? This is a very good question but i looked into it further and found soemthing very surprising. I would simply tell you that God created a light beam from star to earth but you wont be satisfied with that so i looked into it. A few long range experiments have been done and have shown that the speed of light has not remained constant over the years, it has infact slowed down a great deal. Here is some info info if you care to take a gander...... The following scientists verfy this fact Michael Hasofer University of New South Wales, Sidney 2033 Australia David Merkel, 11 Sunnybank road, aston PA 19014 Alan Montgomery 218 McCurdy Drive Kanata Ontario K2L 2L6 Check out this book "The velocity of light" Science Vol. 66 Supplement x, 30 september 1927 M. E. J. Gheury de Vray "The velocity of light" Nature, 24 March 1934 also 4 april 1932 or ask this guy V.S. Troitskii "Physical Constants and the Evolution of the Universe" Astrophysics and Space Science, Vol 139 No. 2 December 1987 pp. 389-411
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Post by 287 on Jan 5, 2004 0:29:48 GMT -5
"We had a discussion about dinosaurs and humans not possibly living together and i couldnt find the thread so were talking about it here. First of all you make it sound like all dinosaurs are giant man eating destructive freaks who roam around the earth devouring everything in its path. Jaurasic park was not real, they made that stuff up. "
*sighs* Joel, I think the reason why Gilson and everyone made dinosaurs sound like huge destructive "freaks" is because they WERE Huge and destructive. We have fossils. We have footprints. Both the fossils and the footprints are very large. Assuming that even just plants (such as trees) were the same size then as they are now, Dinosaurs were very huge in comparison. Usually, large things in a world of comparably smaller things tend to be quite destructive. And usually big things have big appetites. They would probably devour MOST of what was in it's path... Its futile to argue about the size of the dinosaurs anyway. As far as Jurassic Park goes.... Yes. Its not real. Its a movie. What does Jurassic Park have anything to do with Creation>evolution??
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Post by JohnnyJihadFace on Jan 5, 2004 23:18:17 GMT -5
how the hell does the speed of light slow down? Did it get tired?
thats like saying 60 mph was really 120mph 6,000 years ago.
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Post by Scot on Jan 5, 2004 23:26:56 GMT -5
FACT: radioactive decay of only uranium and thorium would produce all the atmosphere's helium in only 40,000 years. Hmm, this is proof how? Proof from FLAWED science, experiments by FLAWED men, who haven't lived anywhere close to 40,000 years. Sorry but this is far from fact. Ahaha, good one Joel. Your sarcasm is just going to make people think you are an ass. (no offense.)
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Post by Scot on Jan 5, 2004 23:31:52 GMT -5
FACT: The continents are eroding at a rate that would level them in much less then 25 million years. Good point. However this rate of erosion could have easily slowed down, that kind of thing doesn't stay constant. Continents also drift a pretty good deal as well in less than 25 million years. When continents collide, the plates below the surface are forced to rise above sea level, thus creating more land.
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Post by 287 on Jan 6, 2004 0:42:25 GMT -5
"Because we see galaxies billions of light-years away, isnt the universe billions of years old? This is a very good question but i looked into it further and found soemthing very surprising. I would simply tell you that God created a light beam from star to earth but you wont be satisfied with that so i looked into it. A few long range experiments have been done and have shown that the speed of light has not remained constant over the years, it has infact slowed down a great deal."
Maybe you should first take a "gander" at Einstein's Theory of Relativity. It proves that the speed of light remains CONSTANT no matter what. There are pleanty of books and websites on this subject, Im sure you'll find one. Granted, the speed of light will vary SLIGHTLY in different mediums, but I assume that space is only one medium, so therefore the speed of light could not and will not change. Time has no factor in the speed of light. Also, The books you sited are quite a bit dated, I believe that science has advanced greatly since 1927 and 1932.
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Post by Scot on Jan 6, 2004 0:49:30 GMT -5
Another good point...
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Post by PaganPriest on Jan 6, 2004 8:49:23 GMT -5
... Because we see galaxies billions of light-years away, isnt the universe billions of years old? This is a very good question but i looked into it further and found soemthing very surprising. I would simply tell you that God created a light beam from star to earth but you wont be satisfied with that so i looked into it. A few long range experiments have been done and have shown that the speed of light has not remained constant over the years, it has infact slowed down a great deal. Here is some info info if you care to take a gander...... There was an experiment done in the early 1900s that proves that light is a constant speed. It cannot change, and the experiment, even when done with current techonology proves this point. you are wrong, the speed of light is not slowing down, only your view of physics and understanding of it, is wrong.
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 6, 2004 16:30:44 GMT -5
Well number 287 maybe you need to take a closer look at what i said...
keyword: ALL I know there were big freakeakin dinos who ate people but my point is that they were not ALL man eating freaks. In fact the minority of dinos were really big AND man eating.
I do not know how the speed of light slows down but it does. There have been many recent experiments proving it does, look it up, i gave you a few sources and i know there are many more. I even gave you the addresses of the scientists. Now onto Einstein's Theory of Relativity, The point in his theory is this... Imagion 2 spaceships are leaving a 'space dock' and start flying 2 completly different dirrections. Now suppose someone within both ships points a flashlight, in one ship the flashlight is pointed at the back of the other ship. In the other ship the flashlight is pointed in the same direction so that both rays of light are travelling the exact same direction. Now according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity both beams of light will be travelling the same speed even though one beam is on a ship travelling against the direction of the light and one beam is on a ship travelling with the beam of light. Both beams of light are travelling at a constant speed even though they are on 2 different objects moving at different speeds. Einstein's Theory of Relativity does not apply to the rate of the speed of light decreasing. How comes we never see any stars being born but we see them dying?
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Post by joelhaldeman on Jan 6, 2004 19:43:32 GMT -5
by defenition the origin of man and this world is a miracle.
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Post by 287 on Jan 6, 2004 23:54:34 GMT -5
Well Joel, today I did a LOT of research on Einsteins theory of relativity and the changes in the speed of light. In all truth, I basically found two seperate arguements, both with a lot of credible evidence, but yet neither side could be proven or disproven. The reason bieng, as far as I know, it is quite hard to study other galaxys, black holes, pulsars, quasars, and other things of that nature due to limited scientific technology. I am not saying you "thoery" is wrong, but I am saying it has yet to be PROVEN at this point. Frankly, it could go either way.
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